How Can a Debate Materialize if The Coward Priest Doesn’t Want to Negotiate Properly?

By Christiandefenders

During our first encounter with Abe Arganiosa who is a Catholic Priest, we are so very eager to have him debate with us which is the reason why we have stated our challenge to him so many times in the past few months. However, he keeps on giving us improbable conditions for the debate not to materialize. His previous improbable conditions can be read on another article of this blog.

https://christiandefenders.wordpress.com/2009/12/09/c/

The funny thing about this coward priest is his ability to always come up with an excuse for the debate not to take place. Recently, one of our brothers informed Bro. Eli Soriano of the indolence of the priest on twitter.

Bro. Eli Soriano responded and instructed to challenge the priest on a debate.

For those people who have been reading the blog of the Catholic Priest, we are all aware that he insists to debate with Bro. Eli Soriano personally as part of his tactic of giving improbable conditions. Bro. Frank, informed Bro. Eli of those conditions which compel Bro. Eli Soriano to give this reply.

Just like what the Catholic Priest said, Bro. Eli was informed that Abe Arganiosa wants the debate to take place in a neutral ground like ABS-CBN and GMA. He responded that Abe Arganiosa can talk with GMA or ABS-CBN just as long as the payment is equally divided.

Because of these recent developments, I offered the Catholic Priest to formally negotiate by providing him the options which is most convenient to start with.

Apparently, Abe Arganiosa doesn’t want to speak directly to Bro. Eli Soriano on twitter nor go out from his blog and negotiate on a  LIVE Webcast. As a congenital liar, the Catholic Priest has a mastery on the craft of making alibis and improbable conditions.

Abe Arganiosa says,

It is very obvious that this priest will not really exert an effort to negotiate properly. He did not even provide any contact information like a cellphone or land line number for us to reach him. In addition, even if he is fully aware that Bro. Eli Soriano is very reachable and accessible online, he chooses to stay within the parameters of his blog and not go somewhere else on the worldwide web with the convenience of just staying in front of the PC.

One of our brothers also informed Abe Arganiosa that he can now speak with GMA or ABS-CBN as long as the share of payment is equally divided. However, this Catholic Priest is really a moron on his reply.

After refusing to negotiate properly by giving his contact information or by contacting us and choosing to stay on his blog, he still don’t want to extend an effort for one of his conditions to be fulfilled. What can we say about this?

According to a Journalist,

“That is what is called Paper Tiger. He is only good in challenging on paper.

His group expects him to do what he is doing now. As he does what he is doing, people can see him and how the catholic church has formed him.

He cannot see that the catholic church is being exposed by his examples – by his behavior.

Why does he fight Bro. Eli? Because he still wants to keep his idols of stone and wood and continue sinning but every Sunday, he would drink wine and eat wafer and think he will go to heaven by that.”

I can definitely agree with what the journalist said. Abe Arganiosa is only good on challenging on paper. His behavior clearly exposes what kind of religion the Catholic Church has.

“Have you read the story of Abe Arganiosa? He’s sort of living a hero image. As a child, he was already acting as true-blue catholic. He had gone too far.

Educated with the money of catholics, he had no time to pause for critical thinking. People like this are prisoners of those who feed them. Is it bad if he refused to follow later?

His role now is to play the defender….

I don’t think he never had the time to reflect if what his religion was doing is right or wrong. Somehow, there could be times – even flitting times – to see that those images were just stones and wood without a life.

But he prefers to accept those things as truth.

I do not think this fellow is worth spending precious time for. He is a fool.

He is just using Bro. Eli to get attention to himself.

What we can do is to respond if we can – but not to disrupt the activities of Bro. Eli. Those things can be taken care of.

You already know that Abe Arganiosa cannot debate. He does not have the skills.

Let us not rattle Bro. Eli unnecessarily if we can do things ourself.”

In my effort to seek a good reason why this Catholic Priest will really not negotiate for a debate, I’ve found an answer from a former Catechist teacher who was also considered to become a priest before he did a change of heart and converted to Christianity.

Bro. Jay Mark tells us the basic rules and roles of a Catholic Priest as well as his insights regarding the issue.

“Abe, known as Abraham Arganiosa, CRS. will not face Bro. Eli on a debate is because in reality, he is afraid to defend his belief and accusation against us, especially with Bro. Eli because he knows who Bro Eli is. And he has no witness to stand his ground in case that will bring out in the Supreme Court against his accusation false attack on Bro. Eli personality. As what I see on him, he has simple reasons why he keeps on saying evil things against us on his blog and not to face on a debate:

First, he only wants to get our attention so that his blog will be famous for many visitors.

Second, he has no permission from his supervisor, the Arch bishop or Cardinal to face Bro. Eli on a debate so he might be scolded. Being, a priest whatever decision he makes like debating or defending the catholic faith from other churches must be permitted by higher authorities, the CBCP Catholic Bishops’ Conference of the Philippines.

Third, this priest is only an Educator, a defender of the catholic faith for his little congregation but not the entire catholic congregation like in Rome. He only teaches student on how to defend their faith against other churches – in short he only wants the student to become strong in their faith.

Lastly, comparing the entire catholic authority in Rome, he is one of those priests who has the lowest rank on the line of priesthood. So we have nothing to expect much from that priest. If he is really a man of his faith believing that they are correct and is concern for the souls of his members then he will face Bro. Eli on Live Web, not hiding at the back of his blog or pen writing.

For my part, I call Abe as the “Priest of Delusion”, one of the false followers of the false prophet in Rome. Thanks to God that our leader Bro. Eli Soriano that was sent by God has a two double edge sword, ready to defend our faith anytime against the evil infiltrator like Abraham Arganiosa.”

Since Catholic Priests really have a stand not to debate with anyone regarding their doctrines nor attack other churches with their teaching, debating with Bro. Eli is a clear violation to that stand. Bro. Jay Mark who came from the inner circle of Catholics was able to give us enough reasons to believe that Abe Arganiosa will really not engage on a debate.

However, some of his deluded followers still believes in the delusion that this priest will really defend their faith on a debate and is willing to negotiate with some of the conditions they provide.

Noel requests us to open our masks and show our identity. However, our identity as former Catholics is clearly exposed. Opening our mask is already on Abe Arganiosa’s reach if he really show an effort to negotiate. We are waiting to see a sincere willingness from him. He can show us his permit from his bishop or at least provide us with a genuine contact information so we can start negotiating properly. We have also provided him the options to directly speak with Bro. Eli Soriano regarding the matter. However,  all the things that he expressed on his blog, are indications to our belief that he cannot really face Bro. Eli Soriano on a debate.

Believing that Abe Arganiosa will really face Bro. Eli Soriano is clearly a Delusion.

According to http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Delusional,

“A delusion is false belief strongly held in spite of invalidating evidence, especially as a symptom of mental illness.”

We are not surprised to have met people like these because these kinds of people are clearly stated in the bible.

(2 Thessalonians 2:10-12)

And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

Abe Arganiosa will never face Bro. Eli Soriano on a debate!

28 Responses

  1. Excuses for him is his best escape!

  2. The Priest of Delusion, Mr. Abraham Arganiosa, CRS will never face Bro. Eli on a Debate…Hiding from the truth Abraham? read for yourself! maybe this might give you a motivation and your cohorts to face Bro. Eli on a Webcast hehe

  3. How can the priest face your mama eli if your mama is in hiding. Bring out your mama eli in the open. Or maybe she is afraid? To ask that your opponent come in the open for a face to face debate is not an improbable condition. It is imperative. Your ploy for an internet debate is preposterous. Debate should be face to face, eyeball to eyeball. O baka gusto mo ikaw na lang humarap kay Fr. Abe?

  4. Will Padre Abe face any worker from our church? That’s interesting. Please tell him that it can also be done. Come back to us and tell us his response. As of the moment, we believe that Padre Abe will never face anyone of us. He has to exert effort to convince us that he is really willing to fight. Give us his contact information or address so we can discuss it with our church workers.

  5. How can the priest face any of you when you and your kind exerted every effort imaginable to hide your identity. C’mon, show your face. Introduce your self. Let’s see if you have the guts to face Fr. Abe. Gusto mo two on two. Ikaw at tsaka church worker nyo tapos kami ni Fr. Abe. Pakilala muna kayo. We don’t deal with people with masks.

  6. We promise to introduce ourselves once the priest is able to give us his contact details like a mobile number, land line number and address so we can contact him. We shall introduce ourselves over the phone of course. It is just to clarify a few details. After that, we are willing to face him in a predebate meeting to discuss the mechanics of the debate. Your next comment should contain those information. I’m not going to approve your next comment without them.

  7. We don’t trust someone who’s identity is in hiding. If you want the priest’s contact number, then summon the guts to introduce yourself and ask it yourself from Fr. Abe like a true gentleman. Can you do that? Or my hunch is correct that you are a coward? C’mon, prove me wrong. Introduce yourself first.

  8. I already told you that we shall introduce ourselves once he provides us a contact detail. It shall be done over the phone. He can use another SIM if he wants. Just as long we will be able to contact him and discuss the details over the phone. You got a tip there. SIM cards are just cheap. Discard it after we’ve contacted him if you want. He should show us his effort. However, we are aware that Catholic priests are not allowed to debate so I doubt it. If not, please show us any record of debate of Abe Arganiosa if you have. On the other hand, we are giving him the benefit of the doubt. He just needs to agree to an initial negotiation over the phone.

  9. Oh no. You are not the one who will dictate how we should do this thing. You know the priest. The priest don’t know you. You want his contact number, do you expect that he will trust you while all along, you hide your identity? C’mon. Be a gentleman. Introduce yourself formally. Deal with us on equal footing. Sa duwag yang istilo mo eh.

  10. We can introduce ourselves formally once we get to speak to him over the phone. It’s easy to be insincere through texts on the Internet. Why is it so easy to talk to Bro. Eli Soriano on the Internet through voice while Abe Arganiosa keeps on avoiding even if it is just a private conversation over the phone? Bro. Eli Soriano has been receiving phone calls from people asking questions on his live television and radio programs. Comparing Abe Arganiosa with Bro. Eli Soriano, the fat priest is nothing. If he does not have enough courage to receive a phone call from an anonymous caller, how can he debate with us face to face? Anyway, the article is very clear and we don’t have to keep on reiterating it. Catholic priests are forbidden to engage in a debate so we are not really looking forward for that to happen for the first time with Abe Arganiosa.

  11. In simple words. surrender na Padre Abe! it is written in the book of Jeremiah “The mighty men of Babylon have forborn to fight, they have remained in their holds: their might hath failed; they became as women: they have burned her dwellingplaces; her bars are broken.” Jer. 51:30

  12. Parabanog, we are ready anytime ones you gave the contact details. As what Christiandefender said sim card is a cheaper one and not expensive, disregard it ones they provide the necessary talk one another. Say that to your boss Abraham.

  13. I think I need to repeat what I said. We don’t trust people with masks. Unless you have the decency to formally introduce yourself, don’t expect that everyone will treat you seriously. That’s basic. You should have known that. Is it difficult for you to introduce yourself? Are you afraid?

  14. You are often saying the words Mama Eli. You are inventing things cannot be proven in court like what the INC did. You are not far from the people in the past time, like those people who are against Jeremiah since they know that they will not win, they come up to a decision of inventing Evil lies:
    Jer 18:18 Then said they, Come, and let us devise devices against Jeremiah; for the law shall not perish from the priest, nor counsel from the wise, nor the word from the prophet. Come, and let us smite him with the tongue, and let us not give heed to any of his words.

  15. @ Mark

    Don’t act as if you are a tough guy. Your confidence comes from yourself being incognito. You can attack with impunity. But try to introduce yourself and put your identity on the line. Let’s see if you are as tough as you sound. Baka nga sakin timbuwang ka na eh.

    • Do you expect us to believe that? Face the mirror first. You are also hiding your identity. Hahaha!

      We know how to distinguish sincerity from boasting. Anyway, I’m not interested on discussing things with you anymore without the Catholic priest’s contact details. We are not going to waste our time for an idiot like you.

  16. Is it hard for you to understand that we can introduce ourselves over the phone? It is quite obvious that Abe Arganiosa is the one who is afraid because he is dealing with a Church that was proven to have seasoned debaters unlike him who is not even trained to debate as he acknowledged. Just like what you are doing here, anonymity is also a way to keep ourselves secure to do our job. Security is not an indication of cowardliness. However, we have given a promise to reveal it once the coward priest agrees for an initial negotiation over the phone. Keep in mind that our identities will no longer be hidden once we have setup an appointment to face him personally over the phone.

  17. How about that parabanog? will you agree or your priest with that condition? or else we will believe in ourselves that he is a coward.

  18. My Belief is not like you parabanog. “Your confidence comes from yourself being incognito. You can attack with impunity.” I think that words is for you not mine. Our strength came from God. The prove is until now your priest is afraid to give a contact number, or one talk on the phone.

  19. Parabanog dont talk too much maybe you dont know me. oh Yes you don’t really know me. You want me to unmask my self? Well I’am one of your former religion catechist so don’t say na sa akin palang “timbuang ka na.” I know your doctrine as much as you know. I’m sorry I have no time to talk to an idiot like you. Just call your Priest or call a friend. hehe

  20. Stop this topic now. It is nauseating already. You are placing it on a personal level.

    It is not Abe Aganiosa that is the enemy. Remember that.

  21. REPEAT: iT IS NOT Abe Arganiosa that is the enemy.

    Remember that.

    • I agree with that. Beware that this may become subjective, not objective.

      It is better to turn false prophets genuine than to put them off. Learn from Bro. Irmao Marcos’ case.

  22. (Luke 10:20) Notwithstanding in this rejoice not, that the spirits are subject unto you; but rather rejoice, because your names are written in heaven.

  23. mr Abe where are you na?Naduwag ka na ba ng tuluyan?Ano bluff ka lng?

  24. Parabanog, lohay lohay noy! parabanog ka pa naman tapos paroton ka palan. Ay pagol kaan! tarami na baya si pading abe!!! sige niya sana ang paipli~(Bikol dialect)

  25. Pantas Post;

    Total ang yabang mo Parabanog kung gusto mo magharap tayo sa luneta mag takda ka ng petsa at oras haharapin kita ,wag puro yabang gawin mo

    Ang maganda magkasubukan tayo cgi I post mo dito ang pag CALL mo sa hamon ko o di kaya sa blog ko (http://mcgi-pantas.blogspot.com)

    gagawa tayo ng history sa Luneta pag nilabanan mo ako

    Hintayin ko ang sagot mo ha.

  26. Pantas Post;

    Ay nku Parabanog pagyabangan mo pa kami yang Bro mo Noel ,manny Cruz ,o Simplang Catcholic o maging si Cenon Bibe banggitin mo pangalan sa kanila at kumbinsihin mo ang isa lumaban sa akin kung may bayag haharap yan haharap sa akin

    ngayon palang sinasabi ko sayo TIKLOP tuhod yan na Aayaw na humarap sa akin .

    Kaya dahan dahan kalang sa yabang mo .hindi ka naman debater ang style mo sa pakipagusap insultuhan …at dinadaan mo sa murahan at paninirangpuri sa hindi mo kausap gawin mo yan sa akin sa luneta para magkaalaman tayo .

    kung talagang magaling ka nga.

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