When ALISTAIR JEPHTE CABUGSA MIGRIÑO posted a trash comment on Abe Arganiosa’s article, it was very clear for a person with a discerning spirit that what he stated is opinionated, libelous and does not really reflect an honest style of writing. Why call Bro. Eli your Mama when he is not even related to you in any way? It just stirs the attention of people who is sensitive enough to detect and differentiate an insult and mockery from a rational argument. However, let me answer his response to my article that I made for his comment.
If you want to have a full grasp of his insults, feel free to take a peek at his blog by following this link.
You may also go the previous discussion that we had on this link.
When I made an article regarding his comments, this dude immediately responded with a comment on this blog. I’m going to post my initial response to his comment and his response in order to better understand the details of our discussion.
At the first glance of your greeting I thought that a terrorist has infiltrated the comments section of this blog (talk about infidels). In order to bring justice to your comment, allow me to make a critique of it by discussing your points one by one.
One, you said that you are not an Acolyte. Probably you have mistaken what I mean when I said that you are an acolyte. According to http://thefreedictionary.com/acolyte, an acolyte is someone who assists a priest or minister in a liturgical service; a cleric ordained in the highest of the minor orders in the Roman Catholic Church. However, the meaning of the word “acolyte” is not restricted to an officer who attends or assists a priest. An acolyte could also mean a follower, fan, supporter, convert, admirer, backer, partisan, disciple, devotee, worshipper, apostle, cohort etc. Since you said that you’re a layman and it is obvious that you are a supporter of a priest, I could also classify you as an acolyte.
I am NOT ONLY Fr. Abe’s supporter, but a supporter of all those who defend the Faith against infidels (a term I reserve for enemies of the Church) like you.
I would like to thank Alistair for admitting that he is not only Abe Arganiosa’s supporter but a supporter of all those who defend the Catholic Faith. My statement that Alistair is an Acolyte was substantiated by his response. The word “infidel” is now commonly used by terrorists. Perhaps, Alistair wants us to have an impression that his job description requires to terrorize the people who contradicts his beliefs.
Two, that’s a long name. We did not even accused you of being the priest.
You suggested it. Just because you don’t tell me such things directly does not mean that you’re not suggesting such.
This is a case of non sequitur which means “an intuitive assumption.; “jump to a conclusion” and “a reply that has no relevance to what preceded it” base on binisaya.com. Alistair has not shown any evidence that I have said that he is Abe Arganiosa. He is trying to refute something that I have never asserted in order to have something to bash. To his dismay, he failed to prove his case by using a weak argument.
Three, being a former Catholic, I know that the Pope in Rome is endeared as “The Most Holy Father”. This can also be read in various catholic websites by simply typing it on Google.
Super. An Apostate from the Faith. Another reason why I call you an infidel. He is addressed by the Clergy as “HOLY FATHER” (emphasis mine).
If Alistair is just going to be honest, the Pope in Rome is really called as Most Holy Father base on the Catholic Websites that I have shown. The problem with his response is his denial that the Pope in Rome is called as “Most Holy Father” in the Superlative degree.
Three, clergymen don’t call the Pope “MOST Holy Father.” You just added “MOST” in order to justify your anti-Catholic lies.
Since he denies that the Pope in Rome is called “Most Holy Father”, let me refute him with the belief that he claims to be his. Alistair asserted that the Pope in Rome is called “Holy Father”. In the bible, it is prohibited to call a preacher as “Father” and the disciples of Christ knows that.
8 But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren. 9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven. 10 Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ. 11 But he that is greatest among you shall be your servant. 12 And whosoever shall exalt himself shall be abased; and he that shall humble himself shall be exalted.
Four, we did not even kill any INC preacher. In fact, our members and church workers are the ones being killed. Have you not read or heard the case of Bro. Marcos Mataro. You better follow this link to have an idea.
Does ROMY ESPAÑOL ring a bell to you? It should: Your people poisoned him.
Romy Español was not poisoned. Medical reports proves that Bro. Romy Español died because of stroke. Food poisoning is a hearsay which Alistair got from INC who was bashed by Bro. Romy Español on his segment INCM Exposed which can be seen on Youtube.
However, if Alistair is going to use the information provided by INC, he must therefore believe that what INC says is true. An information which came from INC states that the Catholics are of the Devil.
Translation : “We should also condemn all Catholic and Protestant Churches because they are not of God but of Satan…”
Since Alistair is using INC as his witness to get his information, he must also accept the information which came from INC that Catholics are of Satan.
Five, the Popes in Rome did not suffer tribulation while being sitted on their Royal throne. Kings and Magistrates will even kneel to them and kiss the cross on their sandals. I don’t see any tribulation to that.
There were those, however, who share in the glorious fruit of Holy Martyrdom, endured the knives and missiles of their persecutors… I could go on and on, and you would still stonewall. In any case, do you judge the Apostles by Judas Iscariot?
Alistair’s case cannot be substantiated with a circular reasoning. This is a fallacy “in which the premises include the claim that the conclusion is true or (directly or indirectly) assume that the conclusion is true” base on nikzor.com also known as “Begging the Question”. Another problem with his response is that it does not directly confirm that the Popes has a cross on their sandals in which Kings, Queens and Magistrates kisses. However, the way his statement is constructed implies that he affirms that fact. In addition, I cannot compare the case of the twelve Apostles with the case of the Popes in Rome because the twelve Apostles are clearly of God while the Popes in Rome are of the Devil.
Six, do you know what a red notice is? It is not a proof of conviction. It is an Interpol notice describing a wanted person and asking that he or she be arrested with a view to extradition. This is something similar to what had happened to the Apostles during the time of the first century Christian Church. The Apostle Paul was even put to prison and was accused falsely. However, if you are interested to know what the details of the alleged case filed against Bro. Soriano, you can browse through this link.
Yes, I do. It means your MAMA ELI is an international criminal. Wakarimasu? (Japanese: Understood?)
I cannot accept an allegation base on hearsay. If Alistair do not know what a hearsay is, according to thefreedictionary.com, it is “an evidence based on the reports of others rather than the personal knowledge of a witness and therefore generally not admissible as testimony.” Bro. Eli has been accused of crimes that he did not commit at any instance in his life. This is just the same thing that early messengers of God experienced just like the Prophet Jeremiah who was maligned by his detractors through their devised devices.
Then said they, Come and let us devise devices against Jeremiah; for the law shall not perish from the priest, nor counsel from the wise, nor the word from the prophet. Come, and let us smite him with the tongue, and let us not give heed to any of his words.
Let me quote an article posted on Quazen.com
“For 45 years preaching the word of God, he had become an expert on matters of Christian living and salvation that his preaching had changed many lives. Known as the nemesis of false preachers, he had attracted many enemies far and wide. One by one, anyone claiming to be appointed by God to prophesy, much more to be the son of God, Soriano would challenge and expose. Later on, he would reap many cases filed in court due to his mouth. Nevertheless, he feared no one as long as truth was involved, no matter that people tore him to pieces. He remained as “appointed messenger of God” to millions of those who believed in his preaching due to his unequalled understanding of biblical truth, reaping another moniker, “Truthcaster.” Today, he maintains a program by that name.”
In addition, why call Bro. Eli as your Mama Eli? This insult does not substantiate a rational argument.
Seven, a lot of people believes that colonial mentality is bad. Would you like to entertain their idea?
It’s called “playing with their heads.” What you guys would do in my place.
Really? The mind of a Christian follows a discipline though.
And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.
Eight, looking back at history, it was not just ordinary members of the Catholic Church who were involved in the Inquisition. It was actually instituted by Pope Innocent III (1198-1216) in Rome. A later pope, Pope Gregory IX established the Inquisition, in 1233, to combat heresy of the Abilgenses, a religious sect in France. Catholic Pontiffs themselves were involved with these mass murders.
AGAIN you judge the Apostles by Iscariot. The original duty of the Inquisition (now known as the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, Papa Ben’s old post), was to combat heresy and preserve orthodoxy (and then the latter in the Modern Church). Clerics cannot shed blood, and so the recourse was left to the civil authorities, hence the infamous Spanish Inquisition. In any case, we did what was noble, acknowledging the errors of our antecedents, but no Prot ever did the same to us, nor did your leader do such to those he sodomized.
I do not judge the Apostles with Judas the Iscariot. Alistair again tries to refute something that I did not even assert. I was simply stating a fact that the Catholic Church has records of Mass Murders because of the Inquisition. Even the late Pope John Paul II acknowledges that fact on his public apology.
Imagine the 300,000 people who were burned at stake in the Inquisition which was approved by Catholic Pontiffs. A religion who is of God cannot commit such crime. As for the hearsay accusation that Alistair pointed out, I will just quote something from http://jakeastudillo.wordpress.com/ .
“The rape case was dismissed on January 26, 2006 penned by Alexandro Lopez, Assistant Provincial Prosecutor of Region III, San Fernando, Pampanga as approved by Jesus Y. Manarang, the Provincial Prosecutor. In part, the document says: “The foregoing facts, together with the rift going on between the INC and the ADD, which we cannot deny, only show that the complainant was indisputably ill-motivated from the inception, and these necessarily, without any scintilla of doubt, substantially affect, if not lessen, his credibility as an unperjured affiant. Wherefore, premises having been considered, the undersigned recommends the DISMISSAL, as he hereby DISMISSES, the complaint for rape filed by Daniel Veridiano against Eliseo Soriano docketed herein as I.S. N0. 05-I-2459 and 2460.” ”
Nine, get your facts straight before stating your comments. Don’t just rely on circulating gossips from your apologists.
There ARE facts in that statement. One of which is:
PAPA: popular with the crowd
MAMA: avoids the crowd , NBI, POLICE AND INTERPOL
Did your MAMA ELI face law enforcement to answer the accusations of rape levelled against her? Nyet, Non, Nein, Iie, Hindi, Laa, NO! (In order: Russian, French, German, Japanese, Filipino, Arabic, and English)
Bro. Eli has been accused in court within the span of time that he preaches. He was able to attend court cases because of many accusations hurled against him. The crime of Rape on the other hand was already dismissed even before it reaches the higher courts. Our enemies, though the case was dismissed, just managed to use their influence in order to escalate the case which is not proper. However, we have lawyers who constantly defends the cause of our preacher with their unwavering commitment to answer against the people who manages to make it an issue.
It is not true that Bro. Eli avoids the crowd. In fact, he is always with the crowd whenever he preaches abroad which results to the conversion of souls.
Ten, Peter was never a Pope in Rome.
That’s just like saying Bro. Eli was never in Apalit, ergo:
No it doesn’t. It’s simply stating a fact supported by documents and information from the Holy Scriptures.
In any case, St. Paul DID send a letter the the ROMANS. If the Holy Church is the Great Satan (which you guys proclaim), then St. Paul’s letter was addressed to the Great Satan, and the Antichrist’s name would be in 2 letters of the Bible (1-2 Peter). Need I reiterate myself?
Where did Alistair get the idea that we have a claim that St. Paul sent his letters to the Great Satan? That is something that we have never asserted nor have we implied. Paul’s letter was addressed to the Christians in Rome and not to the Antichrists of his time.
1 Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God, 2 (Which he had promised afore by his prophets in the holy scriptures,) 3 Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh; 4 And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead: 5 By whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith among all nations, for his name: 6 Among whom are ye also the called of Jesus Christ:
7 To all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.
Most of your arguments are essentially child’s play to those with experience. The only ones who would believe you are most likely, after a fashion, “snot-nosed genin.” That’s why pros exist, to help the noobs understand what just happened, and counter properly the hostile.
An straw man argument cannot substantiate Alistair’s composition. According to Nikzor.com, “The Straw Man fallacy is committed when a person simply ignores a person’s actual position and substitutes a distorted, exaggerated or misrepresented version of that position.” Instead of properly addressing the issue, Alistair resorts to a claim that is subject to careful examination which he fails to do.
Adios, kuffar! (Spanish: Goodbye; Arabic: infidels, kafir in the singular)
The Carolinian Thorn
I know someone who could use the word “infidels” in a nice and funny way.
Learn from Achmed, the dead terrorist. His satyre is better and more entertaining than Alistair’s pathetic accusations and circular reasoning.
In conclusion, all of Alistair’s responses are products of his fallacies which Abe Arganiosa is also fond of.
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