Is the Name Catholic Apostolic Roman Church Biblical?

Having knowledge in names is inevitable especially in our time. In traveling, it is important to know the name of our destination, otherwise, we may probably lose our way. Also, we must not call a rose as gumamela, or a gumamela as rose. It could be misleading to believe the adage “a rose by any name is sweet still“ because there is a right term intended for all things, persons, places or events.

Obtaining a good name is a serious matter to consider. There are persons who were even forced to do extreme measures just to attain a good reputation. They even spend most of their wealth to clear and defend their name in the society. This kind of concern can be found in the Bible. In the writings of King Solomon in Proverbs chapter 22, verse 1, it says:

A good name is rather to be chosen than great riches, and loving favour rather than silver and gold.

And in Ecclesiastes 7:1,

A good name is better than precious ointment; and the day of death than the day of one’s birth.

In the religious world, we need to be more conscious and concern regarding the usage of names, titles or terms. We feel sorry for persons who don’t pay attention on this matter. Studying this important subject may consume time, but neglecting it may cause us to suffer disparaging consequences. Let us read Proverbs 14:12.

There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.

We encourage you, dear friends and foes, to dedicate your patience and time in examining some issues about faith. Our subject will be particular in comparing titles such as Church of God and Catholic Apostolic Roman Church.

Church of God or Catholic Apostolic Roman Church?

The term Catholic Apostolic Roman Church was not familiar to early Christians. It was also never used and mentioned by the apostles in preaching the true congregation established by God. They used the term Church of God, instead.

To prove that, let us have a rundown of verses that contain the term Church of God.

(Act 20:28) Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.

(1Co 1:2) Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours:

(1Co 10:32) Give none offence, neither to the Jews, nor to the Gentiles, nor to the church of God:

(1Co 11:22) What? have ye not houses to eat and to drink in? or despise ye the church of God, and shame them that have not? What shall I say to you? shall I praise you in this? I praise you not.

(1Co 15:9) For I am the least of the apostles, that am not meet to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God.

(2Co 1:1) Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, and Timothy our brother, unto the church of God which is at Corinth, with all the saints which are in all Achaia:

(Gal 1:13) For ye have heard of my conversation in time past in the Jews’ religion, how that beyond measure I persecuted the church of God, and wasted it:

(1Th 2:14) For ye, brethren, became followers of the churches of God which in Judaea are in Christ Jesus: for ye also have suffered like things of your own countrymen, even as they have of the Jews:

(2Th 1:4) So that we ourselves glory in you in the churches of God for your patience and faith in all your persecutions and tribulations that ye endure:

(1Ti 3:5) (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?)

(1Ti 3:15) But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.

There are eleven (11) verses in the Bible containing the term Church of God. On the other hand, we cannot read even a single verse; neither apostles nor early Christians used the name Catholic Apostolic Roman Church. We can check that with the aid of available digital Bible searchers.

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If their doctrines are truly apostolic, or if they are really obeying the will of God written in the Bible, why didn’t they use the title taught by the apostles which was written eleven times in the scriptures? Instead, they used titles unknown by the Bible.

An Attempt To Prove The Claim Biblically

An anonymous arguer named Parabanog, a Catholic member, voiced out his belief by drawing a verse from the Scriptures. He is one of the active advocates of Mr. Abe Arganiosa, a priest riding on issues against Bro. Eli just to gain popularity. Parabanog is aware that he cannot prove the authenticity of his church’s name by merely reading verses from Tagalog or any versions of the Bible; thus, he referred to the Greek Interlinear Bible to support such claim. Let us read the verse he used, in the Book of Acts written by St. Luke to Theophilus, in chapter 9 verse 31 of the scripture it says,

Acts 9:31 Greek Interlinear Bible

ho men oun ekklesia kata holos ho ioudaia, kai galilaia, kai samareia echo eirene oikodomeo kai poreuomai ho phobos ho kurios kai ho paraklesis ho agios pneuma plethuno

According to Parabanog, the word catholic was derived from two Greek words kata and holos. In Latin, it is catholicus borrowed from Greek word katholikos. The Greek adjective comes from the word katholou which means “generally”, “universally” based on kata (down) and holos (whole). Take note, katholikos is a Greek adjective according to Parabanog.

Parabanog wrote: “EKKLESIA KATA HOLOS. Sabi sa dictionary yung salitang catholic, galing sa dalawang salitang griyego: kata holos. Today’s Good Word comes to us from Latin catholicus “universal”, borrowed from the Greek katholikos. The Greek adjective comes from the word katholou “generally, universally”, based on kata “down, according to” + holos “whole”.

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If we will follow Parabanog’s explanation, it is very clear that the word catholic is not a translation of kata holos but rather a coined word. Having comparisons among other translations of the Bible, we can see that the term “throughout” or “throughout all” is used instead of “universally” or “generally”.

Compare.

(Las Sagradas Escrituras Version) Las Iglesias entonces tenían paz por toda Judea, Galilea y Samaria, y eran edificadas, andando en el temor del Señor; y con consuelo del Espíritu Santo eran multiplicadas.

(Latin Vulgate) ecclesia quidem per totam Iudaeam et Galilaeam et Samariam habebat pacem et aedificabatur ambulans in timore Domini et consolatione Sancti Spiritus replebatur

(BIBLIA) Sa gayo’y nagkaroon ng kapayapaan ang iglesia sa buong Judea at Galilea at Samaria palibhasa’y pinagtibay; at, sa paglakad na may takot sa Panginoon at may kaaliwan ng Espiritu Santo, ay nagsisidami.

(MKJV) Then, indeed, the churches had rest throughout all Judea and Galilee and Samaria, and having been built up. And having gone on in the fear of the Lord and in the comfort of the Holy Spirit, they were increased.

(ASV) So the church throughout all Judaea and Galilee and Samaria had peace, being edified; and, walking in the fear of the Lord and in the comfort of the Holy Spirit, was multiplied.

(KJV) Then had the churches rest throughout all Judaea and Galilee and Samaria, and were edified; and walking in the fear of the Lord, and in the comfort of the Holy Ghost, were multiplied.

(ISV) So the church throughout Judea, Galilee, and Samaria enjoyed peace. As it continued to be built up and to live in the fear of the Lord, it kept increasing in numbers through the encouragement of the Holy Spirit.

Even in Spanish and Latin rendition, it was never translated as catholica nor catholicus as like what Parabanog claims. Thus, the accurate and correct translation for ekklesia kata holos is not Catholic Church but “church through out” or “church through out all”.

Another thing to notice, kata holos or throughout all is not an adjective, making it misleading to translate it as catholic. The word “throughout” is a preposition, usually used as an adverb. In Acts 9:31, words “throughout all” didn’t modify the word church but they indicate unto where the peace was being enjoyed.

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Examine.

“So the church throughout all Judaea and Galilee and Samaria had peace…” – ASV

In addition to that, it could be an anachronism if we believe that the church is universal during the first century A.D. As the word catholic implies, it could not be applicable during St. Paul’s time. The Catholic Church was not developed until several hundreds years have passed after the New Testament was written. There are countries that were not yet reached by the time St. Luke wrote Acts 9:31. Even in our present time, there are nations that do not have catholic churches still, especially in some parts of the Middle East.

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If the right term for ekklesia kata holos is Catholic Church, why did their authorities not publish versions of the Bible where we can be able to read their coined term? Even Catholic translators did not and may never attempt to translate it to Catholic Church. Although, we know that their church, being wealthy and powerful, is capable of producing billions of versions of the Scriptures where they can correct Acts 9:31. The Catholic Church was also known for burning versions of the Bible to deviate from the Biblical doctrines which are against their personal desires. They even intentionally burned believers who pursued to translate the Bibles in understandable languages .

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Thus, the title Catholic Apostolic Roman Church is not Biblical. It is just a mere eisegesis of someone who claims to be wise and prudent.

When did the term Catholic Apostolic Roman Church originated?

Now, we have proven that the name Catholic Apostolic Roman Church is not Biblical. Apostles never preached it and early Christians never mentioned it. Never, not even once. What we must believe and use is the name attributed to the owner – Church of God.

So, when did the name Catholic Apostolic Roman Church originated? According to “Discourses on the Apostles’ Creed” by Rev. Clement H. Crock, page 191 says,

Catholic

It is very evident that the name Catholic Apostolic Roman Church was not known by first century Christians and never been taught by apostles for it was only officially used almost 1,700 years after Christ’s death. It was just formed upon the decisions of bishops at the Vatican Council.

Thus, we can safely believe that it neither originated from Christ nor apostles, for it has been used more than a millennium after the New Testament was written. It is a man-made belief.

Conclusion

In our discussion, we have provided evidences and arguments that refute the claim Catholic Apostolic Roman Church as being Biblical. The name was not used by Christ, apostles and early Christians. The Greek term kata holos must not be translated as catholic. It was not also used to describe the church in Acts 9:31 for kata holos is not an adjective. Anachronism will surely be committed for the “term universal church in first century A.D.” could be in the wrong historical period.

Thus, it is safe and better to believe and use the name Church of God instead of a name foreign to the Bible.

We rest our case.

TO GOD BE THE GLORY!


36 Responses

  1. We’ll respond and if you are really courageous to defend your false faith, then i challenge you NOT TO DELETE MY COMMENT LATER. i will REBUTT POIN – BY – POINT your silly arguments.

    • Respond where? I challenge you also to go to our Bible Exposition and prove your point in front of Bro. Eli Soriano. Also, keep in mind that the lame Priest deleted our comments on his blog no matter how decent they are as long as it will jeopardize his article. I will delete your trash comments for the sake of decency.

      • Bro, expect excuses from the coward priest’s camp. They will not go to Bible Expositions for they will surely reason out they like to ask Bro. Eli in flesh. They are afraid to face Bro. Eli on a live Bible Exposition via internet, how much more in person?

        Expect an “OR” answer.

        • Many Catholics were able to ask questions to Bro. Eli in our bible expositions and were enlightened. However, this so-called defenders are so afraid to do that.

          • CORRECTION:

            Many Nominal Catholics were able to ask PAPA Eli Soriano because they are so ignorant of their true doctrines.

            PROOF:

            Do ADD have a catholic convert who has a strong CATECHETICAL foundation? or have undergone our INDOCTRINATION? or THEOLOGICAL BACKGROUND?

          • We have former Catholic Members who were Priests and Nuns as well as people who used to teach Catechism.

          • Yes, it only proves that Catholic Church is the true church because her members are comprise of good and bad.
            Jer. 5:26 For among my people are criminals. This was even highlighted by Atty. Teofelo Tumulak, CFD, ” DILI ANG TANAN ” book.

          • Good and bad people also comprises the members of other churches apart from the Catholic Church. With that basis, their churches are also true. Your comment is therefore flawed.

          • Yes, it only proves that Catholic Church is the true church because her members are comprise of good and bad.
            Jer. 5:26 For among my people are criminals. This was even highlighted on Atty. Teofelo Tumulak, CFD, ” DILI ANG TANAN ” book.

  2. it just happened that you have MANY LIES POSTED, AND SO I ALL OF WHICH will be rebutt. so hold on to your chair. and Get Ready ChristianACCUSER!! hahahaha😛

    • What I’ve posted is supported with biblical facts and current truths. Go ahead and rebut if that will make you happy. I will post another article base on your rebuttals.

    • Beltran said: “it just happened that you have MANY LIES POSTED…”

      Face before a mirror Beltran and you will see what you are saying.

  3. ERRATUM:” All of which will I REBUTT” and “POINT by POINT”

  4. Hmm…

    Alright, let us wait where he can read Simbahang Katoliko or Ekklesia Katholikos in Greek. Remember dear readers, kata holos, an adverb, is not an adjective unlike katholikos. The name Catholic Apostolic Roman Church is neither used by early Christians nor by apostles.

  5. All those things are all your pure imagination heavensknight, by saying that, pls. include your support documents, encyclopedia or history books, wisdom 8:8 Must know the past. . .

  6. Until now, there is still no response from Beltran. We are waiting for your response Beltran. You may also ask Parabanog, your valedictorian and cum laude, for help.

    Where in the Bible can you read apostles taught the name Catholic Apostolic Roman Church?

  7. Remind you Beltran and Parabanog, indecency and trash talking are not tolerated in here.

    Trash talks are just fitted to trash can.

    We’re waiting for your rebuttals.

  8. REFUTATION ON THE FOOLISHNESS OF CHRISTIANACCUSER:

    We really don’t know if this guy is in the right manner to THINK. neither, we know, if HE HAS A BRAIN. in his comments above, he showed at least eleven verses in the Bible which says the name of the church is “church of God”.. is he insane? let us carefully examine his claims:

    Act 20:28, 1Co 1:2, 1Co 10:32, 1Co 11:22,1Co 15:9, 2Co 1:1, Gal 1:13, 1Th 2:14, 2Th 1:4, 1Ti 3:5, 1Ti 3:15

    All of those verses which ADD use as a proof that theirs is the TRUE Church were invalid evidences to justify that the apostles gave the official name “Church of God” to the true followers of Christ. The said passages merely emphasize that Christian Church is OF GOD. it denotes OWNERSHIP. as a matter of fact, Jesus said,
    “You are Peter, upon this rock I will build MY CHURCH” (Matthew 16:18)
    The Church which all true christians belong is of God. and it could be testified through the words of the Apostle Paul:
    “which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased POSSESSION, unto the praise of his glory” (Ephesians1:14)
    hence, no wonder, that the apostle paul keeps on reminding the Christians that they are OF GOD. so that,
    “GOD may be all in ALL” (1 Corinthians 15:28)
    If one would think properly: A man’s mistress would often claim to be the latters LEGAL WIFE, on the other hand, the real spouse would NO LONGER CLAIM to be such, because she has all the proof. in the sameway, Why we have to be NAMED, “CHURCH OF GOD” if we are really the true Church? We must not USE GOD’S NAME in order to justify ourselves. consider the following analogy:
    1) Mike Arroyo is known to be the “Son of the President”, but he need not CLAIM IT OPENLY that he is the Son of the President.
    2) If the true Church was officially named by the apostles as “Church of God”. then why during old testament era, Jews wasn’t officially named as “PEOPLE OF GOD?” they are called “people of God” but the OFFICIAL NAME of the Jewish nation is ISRAEL. Elijah is called “MAN OF GOD” , but his name is “Elijah”. The Lord Jesus is called “The Son of God” but his name is “Jesus”. The Holy Spirit is called “The Spirit of God” but his name is “Holy Spirit”. furthermore, THE BIBLE TESTIFIED THAT THOSE WHO USE THE NAME OF GOD WERE HIS ENEMIES.

    “Thine ENEMIES take thy name in vain” (Psalms 139:20)

    See? who then between the Catholic Church and Members, Church of God International, who use God’s Name???

    ChristianACCUSER [The term Catholic Apostolic Roman Church was not familiar to early Christians. It was also never used and mentioned by the apostles in preaching the true congregation established by God. They used the term Church of God]
    Is this guy really knows and read the Bible? or was just deceived by PAPA Eli?
    Does the term “Catholic” unfamiliar to early Christians? why did the new testament writers used the term “KATH’OLES” ?? kath’oles is the ROOT of the english word CATHOLIC.
    LUKE 4:14 ” .. Ho Galalaia kai pheme exerchatomai KATH’OLES”
    LUKE 8:39 “Apelthen KATH’OLES ten polin…”
    LUKE 23:5 “Anaseis ton laos didasko KATH’OLES”
    ACTS 9:41 “Gnotos de egeneto KATH’OLES”
    ACTS 10:32 “Hemeis oidate ho genomenon rhema KATH’OLES”
    ACTS 4:18 “Kai kelasantes autos pareggeilan to KATH’OLOU…”
    and the two significant were,
    ACTS 9:31 “He men oun EKKLESIA KATH’OLES ..” – the Church is called “CHURCH THROUGH OUT” in greek, “EKKLESIA KATH’OLES” (KATA + HOLOS = KATHOLIKOS) is MCGI the Church described in this verse?
    ROMANS 1:8 ” He pistis humon KATAgelettai en HOLO to kosmo” – The Faith of the Christians here is “KATA HOLOS” which means “through out” (Catholic derived from the words KATA + HOLOS) do the faith of MCGI also “kata-holos” ???
    CATHOLIC MEANS FOR ALL NATIONS: IS MCGI NOT CATHOLIC OR FOR ALL NATIONS???
    Does the term “Apostolic” unfamiliar to early Christians? Let’s give a simple lesson on this ACCUSER:
    ACTS 1:25 to take over this APOSTOLIC ministry, which Judas left to go where he belongs (TNIV).
    MATT.10:39 “APOSTOLIC discourse” (Jerusalem Bible);
    There is none pala ahh? hehehehe ..
    This attempt to disprove the authenticity of the Catholic Church, is too shallow. Not even a grade one pupil would ever hid the argument of this guy. APOSTOLIC came from the word APOSTLE. Why? because the Church is founded on the Apostles:
    EPHESIANS 2:20 “And are BUILT UPON the foundation of the Apostles…”
    APOSTOLIC MEANS FOUNDED ON THE APOSTLES: IS MCGI APOSTOLIC OR FOUNDED ALSO ON THE APOSTLES?
    Does the term “Romans” unfamiliar to early Christians?
    Then why Paul wrote an epistle to the Romans??
    ROMANS 1:8 “Your (roman christians) faith is heralded through out the World”
    The Faith of the Roman Christians is heralded through out.
    Another IGNORANCE OF THIS ACCUSER is that, the CATHOLIC CHURCH does not limit herself with the Church of Rome. The Seat of Authority is in ROME but we also have Churches who does not want to be called “Roman”. we have the BYZANTINE CATHOLIC CHURCH,. MARONITE CATHOLIC CHURCH, URKANIAN CATHOLIC CHURCH and so forth. However, these Churches were ALL UNDER THE AUTHORITY OF THE POPE IN ROME.
    ChristianACCUSER [There are eleven (11) verses in the Bible containing the term Church of God. On the other hand, we cannot read even a single verse; neither apostles nor early Christians used the name Catholic Apostolic Roman Church]

    In the sameway as THOSE VERSES in the bible never claimed that the official name of the Church is “Church of God” as proven above, these verses only connotes “God’s possession”
    ChristianACCUSER [We can check that with the aid of available digital Bible searchers.]
    What is silly about this ADD Fanatic is that, he searched the word catholic on KING JAMES VERSION. why not go back to the original? the Bible said
    “Thus saith the Lord, stand ye in the ways, and SEE and ASK FOR THE OLD PATH …” (Jeremiah 6:16)
    isnt this is the favorite verse of MCGI?? why did ChristianACCUSER not apply this verse in searching for the Truth? go back to the OLD!! go back to the ORIGINAL!! Catholic is ORIGINALLY “KATH’OLES” .. while the New testament is written ORIGINALLY in “GREEK”. so i ask ChristianACCUSER, why not SEARCH “KATH’OLES” ON “GREEK VERSION OF THE BIBLE”? were you afraid to face the truth??
    another foolishness of yours, is that, the bible in the sameway does not mention the term INTERNATIONAL word for word.
    Christian ACCUSER [If their doctrines are truly apostolic, or if they are really obeying the will of God written in the Bible, why didn’t they use the title taught by the apostles which was written eleven times in the scriptures? Instead, they used titles unknown by the Bible.]
    Simple Answer, BECAUSE WE OBEY THE WILL OF GOD NOT TO USE HIS NAME IN VAIN (PSALMS 139:20) That is why the official name of our Church does not use the name of God. as proven above, the term CATHOLIC, APOSTOLIC IS KNOWN IN THE BIBLE
    ACTS 9:31 – CATHOLIC or KATH’OLES
    ACTS 1:25 TNIV – APOSTOLIC

    Christian ACCUSER [If we will follow Parabanog’s explanation, it is very clear that the word catholic is not a translation of kata holos but rather a coined word. Having comparisons among other translations of the Bible, we can see that the term “throughout” or “throughout all” is used instead of “universally” or “generally”.Even in Spanish and Latin rendition, it was never translated as catholica nor catholicus as like what Parabanog claims. Thus, the accurate and correct translation for ekklesia kata holos is not Catholic Church but “church through out” or “church through out all”.]
    This claim of Christian accuser is a proof of IGNORANCE and attempt to conceal the Truth.. (hanap butas para lang makalusot) well, we wont let you ESCAPE FROM THIS ChristianACCUSER.. there is a common adage which says, “SEEING CONTRADICTION WHEN THERE IS NONE” it is fitted for this guy.
    Bro. Parabanog didn’t said, CATHOLIC is the DIRECT TRANSLATION OF KATA HOLOS, rather , CATHOLIC was DERIVED from the WORD KATA HOLOS. dont twist the issue idiot!! it is what we call ETYMOLOGY.. meaning, “the study of the history of words and how their form and meaning have changed over time.” (wikipedia)
    Getting the ORIGIN OF a name is NOT CONTRARY TO THE BIBLE. as a matter of fact, it is even USED by Biblical Characters.
    “..They shall call his name EMMANUEL ,WHICH MEANS God is with us” (Matthew 1:23)
    TAKING THE MEANING OF A NAME is not WRONG. What is significant is the MEANING OF THE NAME. thus, NO ONE HAS THE RIGHT TO JUDGE THE CATHOLIC CHURCH FOR USING THE TERM CATHOLIC, inasmuch as the MEANING OF THE WORD CATHOLIC IS UNIVERSAL. AND THE CHURCH, BEING UNIVERSAL IS BIBLICAL!!
    MATTHEW 28:19 “Therefore go and make DISCIPLES OF ALL NATIONS”
    The Disciples should be of ALL NATIONS. Catholic means Universal, (Webster’s II New Riverside Pocket Dictionary, Page 45)
    and Universal means OF ALL NATIONS.
    REVELATIONS 5:9 “with your BLOOD you PURCHASED men for God, from EVERY TRIBE AND LANGUAGE AND PEOPLE AND NATION”
    THOSE WHO WERE PURCHASED BY THE BLOOD OF CHRIST CAME UNIVERSALLY!! CATHOLIC MEANS UNIVERSAL!! (Webster’s II New Riverside Pocket Dictionary, Page 45)
    AND WE KNOW THAT IT IS THE CHURCH WHO WAS PURCHASED BY THE BLOOD OF CHRIST (ACTS 20:28) therefore, THE CHURCH is CATHOLIC!! (REVELATIONS 5:9-10)
    MY question to Christian ACCUSER, why did he question BRO.PARABANOG FOR USING ETYMOLOGY? WHEREAS, EVEN PAPA ELI SORIANO DO USE ETYMOLOGY? isnt? whenever PAPA ELI would discuss the meaning of Religion, he would explain it as coming from the word “RELIGARE” ??? it is Etymology !!!
    CHRISTIAN ACCUSER attempted to disprove the claims of brother Parabanog by making a contradiction with “through out all” with the term “Catholic”. (para makalusot) well, NO LINGUIST WOULD EVER ACCEPT THIS CLAIM.
    What do we mean by Catholic?
    CATHOLIC-universal (Webster’s II New Riverside Pocket Dictionary, Page 45)
    What do we mean by UNIVERSAL?
    UNIVERSAL – 1)Of, relating to, extending to, or affecting the entire world or ALL within the world; WORLDWIDE:
    – 5) applicable or occurring THROUGHOUT or relating to the universe;
    (Source: http://www.thefreedictionary.com/universal)
    See? WHO ARE YOU TO ACCUSE US OF USING THE TERM CATHOLIC? WHEREAS YOUR TERM INTERNATIONAL HAS THE SAME ESSENCE OF THE WORD CATHOLIC!!
    MOREOVER, This guy DESPERATELY ATTEMPT to make a DISTINCTION BETWEEN THE TERM” THROUGH OUT ALL” BEING USED IN ACTS 9:31 WITH THE TERM “CATHOLIC” as proven by a NON-BIASED WEBSITE PROVIDED ABOVE. UNIVERSAL ALSO MEANS “THROUGH OUT”
    ChristianACCUSER gradually SHOWS HOW DESPERATE IS HE.
    Christian ACCUSER [In addition to that, it could be an anachronism if we believe that the church is universal during the first century A.D. As the word catholic implies, it could not be applicable during St. Paul’s time. The Catholic Church was not developed until several hundreds years have passed after the New Testament was written. There are countries that were not yet reached by the time St. Luke wrote Acts 9:31. (3) Even in our present time, there are nations that do not have catholic churches still, especially in some parts of the Middle East (4).]

    This is a DESPERATE CLAIM. UNIVERSAL means PRESENT EVERYWHERE, however, base on your undertanding, you are trying to claim that the Catholic Church is not PRESENT IN EVERY PART OF THE SYSTEM. When we say UNIVERSAL, it COULD MEAN “FOR ALL PEOPLE OF EVERY NATION” meaning, EVERY ONE IS INVITED OR WELCOME. AND IT IS BIBLICAL!! (REVELATIONS 5:9-10)

    ChristianACCUSER [If the right term for ekklesia kata holos is Catholic Church, why did their authorities not publish versions of the Bible where we can be able to read their coined term? Even Catholic translators did not and may never attempt to translate it to Catholic Church. Although, we know that their church, being wealthy and powerful, is capable of producing billions of versions of the Scriptures where they can correct Acts 9:31. The Catholic Church was also known for burning versions of the Bible to deviate from the Biblical doctrines which are against their personal desires. They even intentionally burned believers who pursued to translate the Bibles in understandable languages]
    See WHAT ACCUSATION IS BEING STATED BY THIS LIAR!! Christian ACCUSER by the name “Christian defender” is a CERTIFIED LIAR!!! Catholic could be found in old Editions of Latin Vulgate of Douay-Rheims Version!! (a more ANCIENT TRANSLATION than KJV and Ang Biblia)
    JAMES 1:1 “Catholic Epistles of St. James the Apostles” (Douay Rheims Version)
    ANOTHER ACCUSATION, THE CATHOLIC CHURCH IS NOT GUILTY FOR BURNING VERSIONS OF THE BIBLE TO DEVIATE FROM BIBLICAL DOCTRINES, THE CHURCH HAS NEVER MADE AN ATTEMPT TO TEACH ANYTHING CONTRARY TO THE SACRED SCRIPTURES. It is also a LIE to say they burned believers who pursued to TRANSLATE BIBLE IN UNDERSTANDABLE LANGUAGES!! FOR YOUR INFORMATION, EVEN BEFORE THE TIME OF REFORMATION MADE BY LUTHER, THERE ARE ALREADY DIFFERENT VERSIONS OF THE HOLY BIBLE, IT SO HAPPENED DURING THOSE TIMES, GUTTENBURG PRINTING PRESS WAS’NT ESTABLISHED YET!. What Comics you have got this information?

    ChristianACCUSER [Thus, the title Catholic Apostolic Roman Church is not Biblical. It is just a mere eisegesis of someone who claims to be wise and prudent.]
    hahahaha.. as proven Above, Catholic Apostolic Roman Church is biblical, if you wish, let us find it out:
    The Jerusalem Bible: ROMANS “The letter of Paul to the Church in Rome” Chapter 1, Verse 7-8 “ To you all, then, who are God’s beloved in Rome, called to be saints, may God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ send grace and peace. First I thank my God through Jesus spoken of all over the world.”
    Novum Testamentum Latine : Roma 1:7-8 7omnibus qui sunt Romae dilectis Dei vocatis sanctis gratia vobis et pax a Deo Patre nostro et Domino Iesu Christo 8primum quidem gratias ago Deo meo per Iesum Christum pro omnibus vobis quia fides vestra adnuntiatur in universo mundo.
    Now, in addition to your ignorance. CHRISTIANACCUSER ALREADY ADMIT that the term Catholic means “UNIVERSAL” now, do we have a proof that the term Universal Church is mentioned in the Scriptures? The answer is YES!! . however, in order to escape from the TRUTH. These guy attempts to debar the argument of calling the Church as UNIVERSAL or CATHOLIC (kath’oles) because , he said, “its not adjective”. Now let us give this guy A BIT of knowledge

    ROMANS 16:23 says, “Gaius mine host, and of the WHOLE CHURCH saluteth you”
    If we go to LATIN TRANSLATION of this text, it will be read this way,
    “Salutat vos Gaius hospes meus et UNIVERSA ECCLESIAE salutat vos”
    10,000 times clearer than the sun!! it states UNIVERSA ECCLECIA!! (Universal Church) is the latin WORD UNIVERSA adjective? Let us ask this source:

    Adjectiveūniversa

    1.nominative feminine singular of ūniversus
    2.nominative neuter plural of ūniversus
    3.accusative neuter plural of ūniversus
    4.vocative feminine singular of ūniversus
    5.vocative neuter plural of ūniversus

    [Source: http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/universa%5D

    Christian Accuser [Now, we have proven that the name Catholic Apostolic Roman Church is not Biblical. Apostles never preached it and early Christians never mentioned it. Never, not even once. What we must believe and use is the name attributed to the owner – Church of God]
    And we have proven otherwise, that the term Catholic Apostolic Roman Church is biblical!!
    “Roman” – (Romans 1:1 Novum testamentum Latine)
    “Catholic” – means “universal” and the faith of the Church in Rome is “universo or universal” (Romans 1:8 Novum Testamentum Latine)
    “Apostolic” – implies that the Church is founded upon the Apostles (Ephesians 2:20)
    Roma 1:7-8 7omnibus qui sunt Romae(Rome) dilectis Dei vocatis sanctis gratia vobis et pax a Deo Patre nostro et Domino Iesu Christo 8primum quidem gratias ago Deo meo per Iesum Christum pro omnibus vobis quia FIDES (Faith) vestra adnuntiatur in UNIVERSO (Universal) mundo.

    So idiot!! To say that there is none!

    Christian Accuser [It is very evident that the name Catholic Apostolic Roman Church was not known by first century Christians and never been taught by apostles for it was only officially used almost 1,700 years after Christ’s death. It was just formed upon the decisions of bishops at the Vatican Council.]
    This is another distortion of TRUTH!! Using our very own publication while picking up certain passages OUT OF THE CONTEXT! Even from the First Century the term “Catholic” is used and due to the course of time, it gradually developed from KATH’OLES TO KATHOLIKOS TO CATHOLIC. In the same way as with their cult. From IDKH HSK to BAYAN NG KATOTOHANAN to IGLESIA NI YHWH …… to MCGI and so forth. (we can really find out the tactics of an ACCUSER)
    Let us ggive another “bit” of information to this guy. And we’ll prove even BEFORE THE TIME the books of the Bible has not been compiled yet, the word KATH’OLES OR KATHOLIKOS is widely used.

    1st Century:
    ACTS 9:31 “He men oun EKKLESIA KATH’OLES ..” – the Church is called “CHURCH THROUGH OUT” in greek, “EKKLESIA KATH’OLES” (KATA + HOLOS = KATHOLIKOS) is MCGI the Church described in this verse?
    ROMANS 1:8 ” He pistis humon KATAgelettai en HOLO to kosmo”
    2nd Century
    (c. A.D. 110). “wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church.” Ignatius of Antioch, Epistle to the Smyrneans, 8:2
    (A.D. 155). ” and bishop of the Catholic Church which is in Smyrna. For every word that went out of his mouth either has been or shall yet be accomplished.” Martyrdom of Polycarp, 16:2
    (A.D. 155). “…to be in honour however with the Catholic Church for the ordering of ecclesiastical discipline…” The fragment of Muratori
    (A.D. 180). ” while the Catholic Church possesses one and the same faith throughout the whole world, as we have already said.” Irenaeus, Against Heresies, 1:10,3
    3rd Century:
    (A.D. 200). “the doctrine of the Catholic Church, in the church of Rome under the episcopate of the blessed Eleutherus,” Tertullian, On the Prescription Against Heretics, 22,30 (A.D. 200).
    (A.D. 254).” while the Church, which is Catholic and one, is not cut nor divided, but is indeed connected and bound together by the cement of priests who cohere with one another.” Cyprian, To Florentius, Epistle 66/67
    (A.D. 325). “But for those who say, There was when He was not, and, Before being born He was not, and that He came into existence out of nothing, or who assert that the Son of God is of a different hypostasis or substance…these the Catholic and apostolic Church anathematizes.” Creed of Nicea
    (A.D. 325). “Concerning those who call themselves Cathari, if they come over to the Catholic and Apostolic Church . . that in all things they will follow the dogmas of the Catholic Church…” Council of Nicaea I
    (A.D. 350). “Concerning this Holy Catholic Church Paul writes to Timothy, ‘That thou mayest know haw thou oughtest to behave thyself in the House of God, which is the Church of the Living God, the pillar and ground of the truth’” Cyril of Jerusalem, Catechetical Lectures,18:25
    (A.D. 350). “[T]he Article, In one Holy Catholic Church,’ on which, though one might say many things, we will speak but briefly. It is called Catholic then because it extends over all the world, from one end of the earth to the other.” Cyril of Jerusalem, Catechetical Lectures, 18:23,26
    (A.D. 360). “I believe in the Holy Spirit, the holy Catholic Church, the communion of saints, the remission of sins, the resurrection of the flesh, and eternal life. Amen.” Apostles Creed
    (A.D. 381). ” in one holy Catholic, and apostolic Church.” Constantinopolitan Creed
    (A.D. 381). ” anathematize every heresy which is not in accordance with the Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church of God.” Council of Constantinople I, Canon 7
    “We must hold to the Christian religion and to communication in her Church, which is Catholic and which is called Catholic not only by her own members but even by all her enemies..” Augustine, The True Religion, 7:12 (A.D. 390).
    (A.D. 393). “Inasmuch, I repeat, as this is the case, we believe also in the Holy Church, [intending thereby] assuredly the Catholic.” Augustine, On Faith and Creed, 10:21

    NOTE: THE HOLY BIBLE HAS BEEN COMPILED AROUND 397 A.D. Christian ACCUSER is indeed a trained, certified and professional Liar.
    Christian accuser [Thus, we can safely believe that it neither originated from Christ nor apostles, for it has been used more than a millennium after the New Testament was written. It is a man-made belief.]

    As proven above, the term Catholic , Apostolic has a strong BIBLICAL FOUNDATION. And even if they cover their eyes to the original greek translation, they cannot contradict that the Bible DESCRIBES THE CHURCH AS
    CATHOLIC = “Universal or for all the nations” (Revelations 5:9-10)
    APOSTOLIC = “founded on the Apostles” (Ephesians 2:20)
    If the bible describes the Church as Apostolic and Catholic, is it wrong to call the TRUE CHURCH “CATHOLIC AND APOSTOLIC”? I’ll read the favorite verse of PAPA Eli to justify his use of gago, tarantado etc.
    PROVERBS 24:11 “a WORD FITLY SPOKEN is like apples of gold in pictures of silver”
    The Holy Bible itself says, that if a WORD IS FIT with the subject. It is not WRONG, on contrary, it is like APPLES OF GOLD. Now, are the words Catholic and Apostolic fits the CHURCH IN THE BIBLE? YES!! BECAUSE THE BIBLE ITSELF DESCRIBES THE CHURCH AS CATHOLIC (REVELATIONS 5:9-10) AND APOSTOLIC (EPHESIANS 2:20)
    No doubt if ADD REJECTS this, because they are not really FOUNDED UPON THE APOSTLES.

    Christian Accuser [In our discussion, we have provided evidences and arguments that refute the claim Catholic Apostolic Roman Church as being Biblical. The name was not used by Christ, apostles and early Christians. The Greek term kata holos must not be translated as catholic. It was not also used to describe the church in Acts 9:31 for kata holos is not an adjective. Anachronism will surely be committed for the “term universal church in first century A.D.” could be in the wrong historical period.Thus, it is safe and better to believe and use the name Church of God instead of a name foreign to the Bible.]

    On contrary, Christian Accuser had just showed how ignorant he is in Public. Not knowing any history and was proven a CERTIFIED LIAR.
    Christian Accuser [We rest our case.]

    I guess its only the beginning for your research.. ask yourselves ADD Members.

    CATHOLIC means “universal or for all the nations” : IS YOUR CHURCH NOT CATHOLIC? MEANING YOU ARE NOT FOR ALL NATIONS?

    APOSTOLIC means “Founded on the apostles”: IS YOUR CHURCH NOT APOSTOLIC? MEANING YOU ARE NOT FOUNDED ON THE APOSTLES?

    IF THE ANSWER WOULD BE YES: Then you admit you belong to a fake church. Because the Bible attests to the truth that the Church is Catholic or for all the nations (revelations 5:9-10) and is Apostolic or founded on the Apostles (Ephesians 2:20)

    IF THE ANSWER WOULD BE NO: Then why you accuse Catholics for using the term Catholic Apostolic Church? Since the Bible says, “the WORD FITLY SPOKEN” (Proverbs 25:11) is not wrong?

    THERE ARE ONLY TWO POSSIBLE ANSWERS: YES? OR NO?? OTHERWISE, YOU KNOW EHRE IT WILL COME FROM (JAMES 5:12)

  9. I recently read Beltran’s reply. Though lengthy, I’ve finished reading it and I’m in the middle stage of preparing counterarguments against it.

    We will post his poison after preparing the antidote.

  10. I recently read Beltran’s reply. Though lengthy, I’ve finished reading it and I’m in the middle stage of preparing counterarguments against it.

    We will post his poison after preparing the antidote.

  11. we also have convert from ADD going back to Catholic……

  12. Napapansin ko na ok ang research engine nyo ah..let me ask this questions to you guys:
    1. Who is the founder of the Catholic Church
    2. and When it was founded?
    3. Saan nagsimula ang Church of God?
    4. Sino nagbaptized kay Bro. Eli para maging kaanib siya ng Church of God?

    • I believe Datingdaandefender should address the question highlighted by Ozner and to the other catholic bloggers who’s raising the same questions with supporting documents and not those rubbish answers and accusations without factual basis. Start browsing your explorer and the truth will set you free and return to the original church founded by Jesus Christ on the of Pentecost. . .

      • Can you prove that all the basis that we have presented is not factual? If, I am going to compare the things being written by Abe Arganiosa on with the things written by Bro. Eli Soriano http://esoriano.wordpress.com , it was Abe Arganiosa who loves trash talking. His statements are baseless and there is no argument at all. The Catholic Church is not the original church founded on Pentecost for its doctrines proves otherwise. http://esoriano.wordpress.com/2007/07/17/the-roman-catholic-church-is-not-the-true-church-of-god/

        • – Datingdaandefender said:The Catholic Church is not the original church founded on Pentecost.
          – My question to you is if the Catholic Church is not the original church founded by Jesus Christ, could you cite based on history or any standard references of its founder, the time it was founded and the place it was founded. . . Check mate ano !!!!!!

          • I’m sorry but I don’t see the name of its founder on history. It was not written in the bible as well. However, the prophecy in the bible states…

            (1 Timothy 4:1-4)

            1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; 2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron; 3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth. 4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving: 5 For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.

  13. Regarding Ozner’s question, we can tackle that in a separate discussion for details may not be tackled here, if God wills.

  14. In my comment to this post i wrote,

    “Now, the official name Holy Roman Catholic Apostolic Church is a carefully thought-out name for the Church of Christ.”

    What I intended to say was,

    “Now, the official name AS MENTIONED IN THE DOCUMENT YOU CITED, that is, The Holy, Catholic, Apostolic, Roman Church . . .”

    Another statement should have read,

    “Jesus founded only one Church and not Churches. And this Church, existing for more than 2000 years already, has TRIED to take the name ‘Holy Catholic Apostolic Roman Church’, AS MENTIONED IN THE DOCUMENT YOU CITED.”

    Sorry for those lapses.

  15. Why mostly if not all my comments are awaiting moderation? Is the blogger afraid the truth or just simply could not give any reasonable and factual answers.

  16. The counterarguments against Beltran’s rebuttal has now been already posted. You may post your comment there.

    Don’t wonder if some of the opponent’s rebuttals are not yet been posted for they needed to be quarantined first. Thanks God I got time answering those.

  17. Please,can you give their names so we could verify what you are claiming is,details please.

  18. Winnie Ibe said:

    Please,can you give their names so we could verify what you are claiming is,details please.

    Manny says:

    There are only two camps here. Heavens Knight’s camp and Beltran’s. What other names do you want anyway?

  19. cHRISTIANDEFENDERS;

    YOU ARE REALLY GETTING SCARED OF MY COMMENTS. YOU DELETED THEM AGAIN. I KNOW YOU CANT HANDLE A GOOD CRITIQUE. THIS BLOG IS A SHAM.

    • So far, the only sham in this blog are your comments. They come from the sham mind of a sham commenter.

  20. Since every church on earth had a founder with a name, please name the founder of the Catholic Church?

    • The Catholic Church has a claim that its founder is the Lord Jesus Christ. However, the teachings that they have would tell us otherwise. The name of its real founder is unknown.

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