The Fallacies in Arguments of Abraham Arganiosa

Reading his reply on the comments section of his blog will give as a glimpse of what Fallacy in Argument really is. Let me point out some of the examples of fallacies written by Abraham Arganiosa who claims to be a Priest and an Educator.

According to  nizkor.org, “A fallacy is, very generally, an error in reasoning. This differs from a factual error, which is simply being wrong about the facts. To be more specific, a fallacy is an “argument” in which the premises given for the conclusion do not provide the needed degree of support.”

Let us try to analyze his fallacies with the guidance of biblical basis in order to know if what he is trying is right or wrong. The following are examples of his fallacies.

Fallacy: Appeal to Authority

OUR PRESENT POPE, BENEDICT XVI, IS CONSIDERED ALL OVER THE WORLD AS ONE OF THE BEST THEOLOGIANS OF ALL TIME. HE CAN SPEAK SEVERAL LANGUAGES FLUENTLY AND HAS SERVED AS PROFESSOR IN GREAT UNIVERSITIES OF THE WORLD.

“When a person falls prey to this fallacy, they are accepting a claim as true without there being adequate evidence to do so. More specifically, the person is accepting the claim because they erroneously believe that the person making the claim is a legitimate expert and hence that the claimis reasonable to accept. Since people have a tendency to believe authorities (and there are, in fact, good reasons to accept some claims made by authorities) this fallacy is a fairly common one.”

http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/appeal-to-authority.html

Not because the Pope in Rome has the authority and some good attributes base on human standards, what he say are all correct. Christians must adhere to the sole authority inside the Christian Church who is the Lord Jesus Christ.

(Colossians 1:18)

And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.

In fact, the father in heaven instructed Christians to listen to him.

(Luke 9:34-35)

While he thus spake, there came a cloud, and overshadowed them: and they feared as they entered into the cloud. And there came a voice out of the cloud, saying, This is my beloved Son: hear him.


Catholics tends to listen to the words and teachings of the Pope without analyzing whether what he says is right or wrong simply because of his authority over them which is not right. They even have the courage to belittle another person who contradicts what their Pope is saying.

UNLIKE SORIANO NA PINABILI LANG NG SUKA SA KANTO. THAT IS WHY HIS DEBATES ARE ON THE STREETS AND WITH PEOPLE WHOSE CALIBER ARE AS CHEAP AS HIM.

First of all, Abraham Arganiosa must know that the debates of brother Eli are not done just in the streets. His debates are broad casted on radio, television and in the Internet.  An example of a recent debate has earned the soul of an Assembly of God Pastor which can be seen on Youtube.com.

To say that brother Eli just debates on the streets with people whose caliber is cheap is blatantly stupid. Abraham Arganiosa clearly used the wrong choice of words on his comment. However, if he thinks that his own caliber is not cheap, he might as well agree for a live debate on National Television.

Fallacy: Ad Hominem


HA, HA, HA… KUYA DANIEL RAZON!!! HA, HA, HA… WHERE IN THE BIBLE CAN WE FIND THAT THE BELOVED NEPHEW OF GOD’S MESSENGER MUST BE CALLED ‘KUYA’? WHERE, WHERE, WHERE? HA, HA, HA…

THAT IS ANOTHER SATANIC DOCTRINE. WALA YAN SA BIBLIA. KUYA DAW… HE, HE, HE… KUYAKOY NG SIYOKOY. KUMAIN NA LANG KAYO NG TIKOY NI INGKONG UNGGOY.

“An Ad Hominem is a general category of fallacies in which a claim or argument is rejected on the basis of some irrelevant fact about the authorof or the person presenting the claim or argument. Typically, this fallacy involves two steps. First, an attack against the character of person making the claim, her circumstances, or her actions is made (or the character, circumstances, or actions of the person reporting the claim). Second, this attack is taken to be evidence against the claim or argument the person in question is making (or presenting).”

http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/ad-hominem.html

I would like to applaud the statement of Abraham Arganiosa that refers to brother Eli as the messenger of God base on his question. “WHERE IN THE BIBLE CAN WE FIND THAT THE BELOVED NEPHEW OF GOD’S MESSENGER MUST BE CALLED ‘KUYA’?”

However the succeeding statement is already Ad Hominem; An attack on the person which does not substantiate any argument. Another funny thing with this Priest is, he questions the way we call brother Daniel as our “big brother” or “kuya” while he is called “father” by his parishioners which violates what Christ teaches to Christians.

(Matthew 23:9)

And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.

While it is prohibited for Christians to call no man father upon the earth, we don’t see any prohibition to call no man as our big brother or “kuya”.

Fallacy: Appeal to Ridicule


Thank you. Please don’t infest this Blog with links related to your materials. We do not accept junks here. The Catholic Church has its own CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA. So don’t pretend that you are more scholarly than us. WE RUN HUNDREDS OF UNIVERSITIES ALL OVER THE WORLD AND OUR SCHOLARS ARE FIRST RATE. Unlike your so-called scholars na pinulot lang sa tabi tabi. Scholars kuno.

The Appeal to Ridicule is a fallacy in which ridicule or mockery is substituted for evidence in an “argument.”

http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/appeal-to-ridicule.html

The priest, Abraham Arganiosa was referring to the link which I posted on his blogsite which Bro. Eli Soriano wrote to prove how false the Catholic Church is.

http://esoriano.wordpress.com/2007/07/17/the-roman-catholic-church-is-not-the-true-church-of-god/

The priest mocked the article which Bro. Eli Soriano wrote which does not really prove that the article was wrong. The article presented documents which came from the Vatican itself as proofs of it’s erroneous teachings like the following:

1. The Document which proves that they believe that there is no salvation outside the Catholic Church.

2. The history of the Catholic Church which proves that they have unfairly judged the ‘outsiders’.

Perhaps this cruelty is the result of their belief that there is no salvation outside their church.

3. The Catholic Church had a Notorious Pope.

Bro. Eli said:

I want you to note that this magazine came from inside the Vatican itself. That this pope is “one of the most notorious”, meaning, there were so many of them! Will it be alright if I say that the Roman Catholic Church is not the true Church of God?

These are just some of the examples of fallacies in Arguments that I can see on Abraham Arganiosa’s blog. Evidently, by reading through it I can write some separate articles to disprove them. I have proven that there are fallacies on his arguments and it is very easy to discern right now who is telling the truth and who  is lying. I believe that in this blog debate, good still triumphs over (for lack of a better term) evil.

God Bless You!


27 Responses

  1. This Catholic Priest cannot give rational arguments to support his accusations and claims. He only relies on empty bashful words.

    Just examine what he said.

    “THAT IS ANOTHER SATANIC DOCTRINE. WALA YAN SA BIBLIA. KUYA DAW… HE, HE, HE… KUYAKOY NG SIYOKOY. KUMAIN NA LANG KAYO NG TIKOY NI INGKONG UNGGOY.”

    Are these the words of an Educator?

    Please bring good reasoning on your blog Padre!

    Stop your fallacies.

    • @ Elmo Mallari:

      in the sameway as “Gago, Tarantado, Tanga… spitting everywhere” are not the proper conduct of a REAL AND ETHICAL PREACHER

  2. I can’t believe Catholics will heed to the
    words of this fat priest!

    I am not listening to his sermons.

    I bet they are just nonsense.

    • @ Marina Langit:

      Who are you to say so? have you ever heard Fr. Abe to render sermon? hehehe.. dont judge. you really are a judgemental person.. be careful😛 hahaha

  3. His sermons are worth sleeping.

    Probably, his parishioners just go to church

    to sleep and give donations.

    • @ John:

      his Blog were not “Sermons” .. is that the way a real christian should judge? owwww.. i pity you.. you never attended the sermons of Fr. Abe, thus you have neither a prerogative nor a perception to judge Fr. Abe this way. However, Fr. Abe does not only give sermons on a parish. rather, he is OFTEN INVITED TO become a speaker. somethng which a “Boring preacher” could not have.🙂 so judgemental..

      • I’ve watched his sermons on Youtube. It is nothing different from the other Priests that I’ve met.

  4. Sleeping is the favorite habit of Catholics while attending church services.

    Aside from texting, sleeping is what they do whenever they hear a Catholic Priest like Abe.

    • That’s what I don’t like about some Catholic Priest. Their sermons are boring. That’s why people are caught sleeping or daydreaming.

      • @ ELMO MALLARI, JOHN, KING LEAR, MARINA LANGIT:

        “Judge not that YE MAY NOT BE JUDGED” (Matthew 7:1)
        🙂

        • (John 7:24)
          Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.

    • @ King Lear:

      owwww.. another FALSE judgement. “Sleeping is the favorite habit of Catholics” how come? maybewhen youre catholic you are such. hahahaha.. wel , TRUE CATHOLICS does not sleep. MOREOVER, we even do NIGHT VIGILSSSSSS.. do you have that? hehehe. do you know VIGIL??

      • When I was a Catholic, I also noticed that people in a mass would really tend to sleep specially if the Priest’s sermon is boring. I am also a witness to that.

      • Beltran:
        “TRUE CATHOLICS does not sleep.”

        Pinoy Reformista:
        Ganun ba? Ibig palang sabihin, HINDI TUNAY na Katoliko yung mga natutulog habang nagsesermon ang Pari?

        Kasalanang MORTAL din ba yung tulugan mo yung nakakaantok na sermon ng Pari?

  5. About the topic inside the Vatican, it is not denied that that are few evil on the hierarchy of the catholic clergy, Jer. 5:26 For among my people are criminals, on the 12 apostles, one betrayed Jesus and Lucifer was a former angel of God.

  6. foul languages are not righteous judgement. your only making your self a fool christiandefender. You stick with your bible but Catholics stick to the guidance of the Holy Spirit and the example of Jesus Christ.

    • Where are foul languages in this blog? It was your Priest who uses that which is evident on his blogsite.

    • How will you make me believe Catholics were guided by the Holy Spirit and the examples of Christ?Maybe the doctrines are anti Christ.

  7. Mr. Christiandefender, on my visit to your temple in Apalit Pampanga, I also noticed a couple of ADD members who were not only tending to sleep but already snoring & sleeping well while ceremony were on process because possibly of more boring speakers sermon.

    • When did that occur? Who invited you in?

  8. you shouldn’t use christiandefenders as the name of this blog but angdatingdaandefenders because Roman Catholics are also Christians… How I wonder why protestants call them selves as christians.

    • We don’t believe that Roman Catholics are Christians. The doctrines of Catholicism are so much different from Christianity.

  9. If you don’t believe chistiandefenders that Roman Catholics are christians, could give answer based on historical facts if who is the founder of Roman Catholic? Where it was founded and when it was founded? please use standard references. . . . .

    • Historical facts doesn’t say who the real founder of the Catholic Church really is. What can be found on Encyclopedias are just claims but not real facts.

  10. Fr. Abe is the modern day Padre Damaso for Catholic Church in the Philippines.

    that bastard priest doent follow the Pope’s call of ecumenism to other faiths.

    he just wanted to call attention. maybe he is lacking attention to other people.

    so let’s understand him in that aspect.

    That priest is really a coward because he cant go to the ADD HQ to challenge Bro. Eli’s nephew to a debate on National TV.

    I think even an INC minister from Central challenges Fr. Abe the modern day Fr. Damaso, I think he will elude the debate.

    he cannot win in the hands of an INC minister, what more to an ADD preacher who is better than INC ministers in Biblical knowledge.

    that priest just want to get attention. he is so lonely so he wants to gain some popularity to ease his sadness.

    good for you Fr. Abe, ADD people dont hurt or kill bastard critics like you. if ever they will do that, I will voluntarily kill you even the ADD people wont pay me a single centavo for your head.

    you can only attack the people you expected that you wont be retaliated, try Mr. Manalo or his ministers in Central, I think you will sleep forever if you do that if really you are that so courageous.

  11. I think it is time that Kuya Daniel should allow ADD OICs to debate with other faiths in any plaza except for INC ministers.

    CFDs you are just wasting your time here, you cant snatch ADD brothers here unless you’ll defeat a high ranking ADD preacher. especially the ADD presiding minister Soriano.

    you know, if you want to snatch ADD brothers to Catholic Church, you should debate a high ranking ADD preacher like the District Servant, Zone Servant and Officers in Charge of ADD religion in any plaza.

    record that debate with your own videocam and you will see a CFD shall lose to a debate.

    stop posting here. if you claim that the Biblical Truths is in the minds of CFDs then you should start to debate either a Zone Servant, Officer in Charge or District Servant of ADD religion in any venue you want. record it w/ your video cam. It could be better to a national TV.

    if a CFD defeated a high ranking ADD preacher, I myself will go back to the fold of Catholic Church since I am a Catholic who betrayed my religion because of my too much admiration to Bro. Eli who is the current Bible genius of the world.

  12. I think beltran’s mind is an argument of trash without rational thinking…better to speak if you have the right prove! I am a former catholic religion catechist. i’m teaching religion in public schools 9yrs ago. I get out because i discover by myself with the help of the almighty God that the doctrine of the Roman Catholic are not base in the words of God in the bible, but only depends on the teaching of the Pope in Rome.

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