An Analysis of A Malicious Blog Created by a Catholic Priest, Fr. Abe Arganiosa

INTRODUCTION

Growing up in a Catholic family within a Catholic Society has provided first hand information of what kind of Religion Catholicism is. In this write-up we shall examine some of the things that a Catholic Priest has said on a blog in order to attack the beliefs of the Christian Church now being preached by brother Eli Soriano through his radio and television program, Ang Dating Daan. It is noticeable that this priest invented arguments we never asserted just to have something to bash. Instead of bringing his arguments in the most proper forum, he choose the world wide web as the battle arena. So let us examine how lame are the arguments made by this priest and let us also resolve the doubts that he tried to instill in the minds of his readers.

WHAT HAPPENED TO THE CATHOLIC CHURCH AFTER THE SPANISH PERIOD IN THE PHILIPPINES?

After so many years, there are organizations that made the Catholic Unity in the Philippines weak. One of them was led by Isabelo delos Reyes and Gegorio Aglipay. Their success in establishing a church apart from Catholicism has two reasons: the Patriotism of the Filipinos and their ignorance about the differences between the Philippine Independent Church and the faith of our forefathers.

Another threat to the Catholic Unity is the faith brought by the Americans through Protestant Missionaries. They served as teachers in our schools during the time of American Colonization. They were successful in establishing Protestant Movement which are now headed by Filipino Pastors today.

Another organization was also like the first, which was established in our Country. The founder of this organization is Felix Ysagun (Manalo) before the first world war began. However, it did not became popular until the end of the second world war. Today, it is one of the strongest enemies of the Catholic Church in the Philippines.

The organization which Mister Abraham “Abe” Arganiosa, the Catholic Priest tried to bash on his blog is the Members of the Church of God International. This organization is one of the most prominent and well-established religious congregations in the Philippines today. The organization maintains steadfast efforts in carrying out its task of delivering the Gospel of Jesus Christ to mankind.

Existing for more than 40 years in the Philippines, the Members Church of God International upholds the teachings of the apostles, prophets and teachers, among others established in the city of Jerusalem.

It’s name, “MEMBERS CHURCH OF GOD INTERNATIONAL” is based on the following Biblical passages: Ephesians 3:6; 1 Thessalonians 2:14; 1 Timothy 3:15; 1 Corinthians 1:1-2; 1 Thessalonians 1:1, 4.

http://www.angdatingdaan.org

THE FIRST INSTALLMENT OF OUR REPLIES ABOUT THE ARGUMENTS ON HIS BLOG

http://thesplendorofthechurch.blogspot.com/2009/11/update-on-church-of-god-international.html

This is a link to a write up made by a Catholic priest on his blog. Contrary to the doctrine of Ecumenism taught by Pope Benedict XVI, this priest wrote something that doesn’t promote peace among people professing to be Christians.

Ecumenism & Unity

Pope Benedict XVI on Ecumenism
Church Committed to Ecumenism, Says Pope
And Calls for Growth in Dialogue With Muslims

VATICAN CITY, APRIL 25, 2005 (Zenit.org).- Benedict XVI confirmed the Catholic Church’s “irreversible” commitment to ecumenism and appealed to believers of all religions to become promoters of peace.

http://www.holylove.org/ecumenism_unity_pope_benedict_XVI.php

Let us answer the allegations on his blog for the sake of responsible journalism on the Internet. Mister Abe has the right to say whatever he wants and I have seen him writing on some official publications of the Catholic Church attacking other sects. Let’s read what he has to say regarding ADD.

A neophyte Catholic Apologist named Beltran O.P. informed me the other day that Ang Dating Daan preacher Eli Soriano, who is now hiding somewhere for rape case of a male victim, lost his constant companion in debates and in public fora, Bro. Willy Santiago.

A terrible mistake that this Catholic priest had said is to say that brother Eli Soriano is now hiding somewhere for a rape case of a male victim. Mister Abe could have been very ignorant of the alleged rape case which was dismissed by the Fiscal’s Office of Apalit, Pampanga for lack of substance.

http://jakeastudillo.wordpress.com/2009/06/26/portrait-of-the-raped-man-for-whom-the-interpol-would-mobilize/

Before judging other religion of a rape issue which was dismissed, mister Abe could have taken a glimpse of the Catholic Church’s age-long scandal of rape and pedophile done by Catholic Priests. http://www.priestsrapeboys.com/

According to my friend Eugene, who is also also blogger…

“He is saying that Bro. Eli is a rapist? He must not forget that until now, that is an apparent accusation. Unlike the Irish priests of the Catholic church, they were proven of doing malignant acts that have brought shame to your robes. I hope he is reading the news. In addition to it, we are not yet talking about the crimes done by the Catholic Church.”

I definitely agree with what Eugene said.

Who is hiding by the way? Can a preacher who manages the affairs of the church despite the long distance be hiding? Can a preacher who preaches the word of God and still faces the adversaries of truth on other parts of the globe be hiding? Can a preacher who can be seen preaching on TV worldwide and is still able to answer queries from a live audience be hiding? Mister Abe could have faced the mirror first before typing something on his keyboard that he doesn’t really understand. The fact still remains that Catholic Priests are prohibited from challenging other religion in a debate which is the reason why he is hiding inside his Parish to avoid an ecumenical dialogue or debate.

What the bible states about the leaders of Babylon greatly fits the character of Catholic Priests.

(Jeremiah 51:30)

The mighty men of Babylon have forborn to fight, they have remained in their holds: their might hath failed; they became as women: they have burned her dwellingplaces; her bars are broken.”

Will this Catholic Priest be willing to face Bro. Eli Soriano in a debate to prove that he is not hiding?

The viewers of ADD programs will easily remember Willy Santiago as the guy who has special talent in opening the Sacred Scriptures and read it for Bro. Soriano. It is noticeable that while Soriano was speaking and mentioning a Biblical passage, Bro. Willy was ahead of him in finding the chapter and the verse.

Mister Abe must have not realized that Wilfredo Santiago has learned it from somebody who taught him. However, he did not continue on the things that he has learned from his mentor which is the reason of his fall. Just like Timothy to Paul, a student has to continue to what he has learned and not instigate a rebellion against it.

King James Bible
(2 Timothy 3:14)

But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them;

Wilfredo Santiago was not the only student of Bro. Eli if Mister Abe is not aware of it. Some students come and go but most of them still continue and remains to what they have learned from their mentor unlike the traitor Wilfredo Santiago.

Wilfredo Santiago can read verses before it was mentioned by Bro. Eli because before airing in programs, Bro. Eli tells Willy of the succeeding verses to be read, and not because he has special talents. You can also notice that there are times when the verse opened by Willy is not the same verse read by Bro. Eli. Our preacher just shows Willy that there are verses that were not revealed to him.

Another thing to consider, from the start, Bro. Daniel is one of the man behind the scenes directing ADD Programs. He is in the war room helping to maintain the smooth flow of the shows, this foolish priest doesn’t know that. He doesn’t even know how Bro. Daniel was well-trained in discussions and debate, he doesn’t just show that out of his humbleness. But if that priest wants to discover the skills of Bro. Daniel, why not try him?

Now, Willy left Soriano due to, according to many in the web world, power struggle. Because as Soriano is getting older and is hampered by so many legal cases the one being groomed to be the successor in Soriano’s throne is his favorite newphew, Daniel Razon. This is allegedly unacceptable to many followers, especially to the trained ministers like Willy because Razon is pre-occupied with many businesses and doesn’t show extraordinary talents on Sacred Scriptures as well as public debates. He stresses that Razon never joined the public fora of ADD wherein Soriano or the ministers answer questions on the spot from the audience. And he never joined them in squaring it off with the pastors of opponent religions in public plazas. In short, Willy claims that Daniel Razon got no balls according to ADD criteria. That is a very drastic revelation… tantamout to pulling off the guy’s pants down. Manny Pacquio will not accept that because that is below the belt. Don’t you think so?

The elected Vice Presiding minister is Bro. Daniel Razon – not Wilfredo “Willy” Santiago. Razon is the most acceptable leader next to Bro. Eli Soriano based on the votes cast by members in 1998. Contrary to Wilfredo Santiago’s allegation, Bro. Razon is a church worker even before he became a member.

Bro. Daniel even spoke in public gatherings at a very young age of 9 and is one of the people behind the success of ADD programs. There were only three people then in the production of ADD programs from the start. Bro. Eli as the speaker and consultant; Brother Daniel Razon as the program director, cameraman, light man, and editor; and Sis. Luzviminda Cruz as the executive producer, researcher, set decorator, and even as make-up artist. Wilfredo Santiago was not even part of the pioneer team of ADD. Take note of that.

http://elisoriano.com/life/broadcast_years/television_broadcast.html

From the humble beginnings of Ang Dating Daan (The Old Path), the longest-running religious program in the Philippines, to the international recognition it has today, Bro. Daniel has been there to make it happen, with God’s help.

http://www.danielrazon.com/bio.aspx

Bro. Daniel Razon still speaks on Bible Expositions, gatherings, youth talks and marriage counseling with Bro. Eli Soriano as the main speaker. What Bro. Razon wants is for people to hear Bro. Eli preach and not to present himself as the preacher. He wants Bro. Eli to continue his task of answering queries from people who wants to learn many things regarding religion and not to present himself as someone who could also give answers. Wherever Bro. Eli goes, Bro. Daniel Razon is always of assistance to give Bro. Eli a helping hand. He is not ambitious like Wilfredo Santiago is.

This priest really doubts how well Bro. Daniel is when it comes to debates. We asked him once to try Bro. Daniel if he wants to discover the skills of Bro. Daniel. Thus, he could be rational, at least a bit, in what he is saying. Then, just to make avoidance, he points to different persons first to face Bro. Daniel. Apparently, if he cannot show himself to challenge Bro. Daniel, how much more against Bro. Eli?

No wonder he cannot directly answer the challenge laid before him concerning a debate between him and Bro. Eli. What a coward!

I also want to say, so that you will not look ridiculous, Mister. Abe, Bro. Daniel is not just busy behind the camera, he is also busy in front of the camera preaching.

Anyway debating is very important for them. Because the sect prided itself on their claim that Soriano is undefeated in debates and that he can answer all questions. So, if ever the successor cannot perform the same then he will be an impotent duck undeserving of respect and loyalty of their seasoned debaters. So, Razon could be good for Peking Duck menu but they prefer one who debates. Imagine, Willy and the ministers are veteran in the battle of the streets and plazas, and suddenly nepotism is creeping in to take away the glory from them. Interesting indeed. He, he, he…

Brother Eli Soriano still debates and he is very eager to face a Catholic Priest like Mister Abe. His young protege who was trained from youth is able and will also debate as sharp as Bro. Eli Soriano unlike the allegation of an ambitious person. Bro. Daniel Razon knows that Bro. Eli Soriano still performs his function and there is no need to immediately replace him. The seasoned debaters which Mister Abe is referring to were just recent members of the Church while Bro. Daniel Razon is a pioneer, has served as church worker and a student of God’s preacher.

Nepotism is not the basis of Bro. Daniel Razon’s election into his position. Let this be said, although it doesn’t violate any prohibition from the bible. Solomon was the son of David and was the heir of the throne and also became a preacher of God like his father.

Bro. Daniel Razon has made innovations regarding church activities and the structure of carrying out various tasks. He sees to it that whatever he does is still aligned with what Bro. Eli Soriano teaches. He was entrusted to oversee the Metro Manila, Cavite, Rizal Division at the age of 25. He is unlike the ambitious Wilfredo Santiago who was never entrusted to oversee a single locale congregation. Not even one.

To say that Wilfredo Santiago is a veteran in battle is incorrect. Wilfredo Santiago is just a mere reader and was never assigned to face anyone in a debate to correct what Mister Abe has stated on his blog.

Now, to aggravate the situation few months ago Willy and his cohorts abandoned Soriano and are now appearing in another TV progam in IBC-13 to reveal, guess what, the erroneous doctrines and unchristian activities of Soriano. How kind of him to do that? But of course, Soriano is fuming mad and as a retaliation he issued a Fatwa… I mean Excommunication in a very Christian form worst than the Anathema Sit of the Council of Trent against the Protestants and heretics. Soriano preferred the Pauline language of: “Giving over to Satan”. It means that he was entrusting Willy and his rebel companions to the devil.

Surely, Willy answered. He satirically responded that Eli Soriano could do that because he is on pact with the devil, otherwise how can he be sure that the devil will accept his entrustment. Very reasonable, isn’t he? How can he turn over to Satan his beloved Willy and companions unless he has direct communication with the Angel of Darkness. Very revealing!

Could Mister Abe have misunderstood what St. Paul has said?

(1 Corinthians 5:1-5)

1 It is reported commonly that there is fornication among you, and such fornication as is not so much as named among the Gentiles, that one should have his father’s wife. 2 And ye are puffed up, and have not rather mourned, that he that hath done this deed might be taken away from among you.

3 For I verily, as absent in body, but present in spirit, have judged already, as though I were present, concerning him that hath so done this deed, 4 In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when ye are gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ, 5 To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh , that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.

To say that Bro. Eli Soriano has a pact with Satan and based on biblical verses is the same way of saying that St. Paul also had a pact with Satan in order to deliver a person to him. This is very idiotic and does not conform to biblical sense. Christians doesn’t have to have a pact with Satan to deliver a person to Satan. There are people who already belongs to Satan because they want to follow what Satan wants them to do.

(1 Timothy 5:15)

For some are already turned aside after Satan.

These people are delivered to Satan because they want to follow Satan by their own free will. I can say that Wilfredo Santiago followed Satan which is exactly the reason why he was given into Satan’s hands. Wilfredo Santiago has failed miserably to prove that he is revealing erroneous doctrines of the person who taught him. He did not continue with what he has learned and now fabricates things to malign the very person who used to feed and help him. Such an ungrateful act of an ungrateful person who was blinded by ambition!

To complicate the matter Soriano made Jane Santiago, Willy’s own wife, to appear on national TV to denounce her husband, narrate her ordeal from the so-called battering hand of Willy and his plans to wrist control of ADD from Soriano. How touching! Family matters when mixed with religion and faith always make a melodramic touch on any story. This one is no exception, even with Eli Soriano as its script writer and director. I am almost tempted to believe that the preferred theme song for the program should be Barbara Streissand’s version of Send In The Clown with some touch of The Days We Were. Ha, ha, ha… Bro. Mars will love that.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rXstDcODg8

Mister Abe could not have realized that what’s happening to Sister Jane Angeles Santiago is biblical.

(Matthew 10:34-37)

34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. 35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. 36 And a man’s foes shall be they of his own household.

37 He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.

The only script writer to what is happening is God. A christian should love God above everyone else. Christ has forewarned the Christians that He has come to set variance or enmity between members of their own household. Sis. Jane Angeles Santiago has chosen the side of truth and has chosen to love God more than she loved her husband. Wilfredo Santiago’s statements was belied by his wife which is a strong evidence that what he does is evil.

Willy insists that his reasons to breakaway is purely doctrinal and not carnal in anyway. He listed a lot of doctrinal reasons but I will only point some of them:
1. Soriano’s command that the members kneel in worship ONLY facing the Sun, according to Willy is unbiblical. Really? Ha, ha, ha… Where did Soriano get that doctrine? Guess who?

2. Soriano’s claim that “MAY PUWIT ANG DIOS” [God has a Butt!]. O no, I already pointed out that there should be no hitting below the belt. These two must be very malicious in their actions. Soriano speaks of Butt… very improper especially when applied to the Most High.

So, better for me to stop here. If you want to check their WORD WAR you can check the You Tubes. And if you want to read Willy’s Blog [at least supportive of him], please check this: http://exegesis.weebly.com/index.html

His reason of breaking away is because of his ambition to be a leader which really is not the rightful place for him. Wilfredo Santiago and his companions were given to the hands of Satan as of October 31, 2009 because of rebellion and coveting the position of the Presiding Minister. Mister Abe has believed the statement of the liar that we worship the Sun. We don’t have a doctrine to ONLY face the sun when praying. What we face is the direction of the east and not the sun.

Mister Abe doesn’t really know what he is saying. He defended their practice of idolatry by using passages from Old Testament Books to justify his ignorance. But if we will observe, he doesn’t really answer the question.

The question is simple, “Why do you kneel before graven images?” His answer is on affirmative side, this only verifies their belief on the practice of kneeling before images. Anyway, did he really answer the question?

“Why do you kneel before graven images?” According to him, it is because God ordered Moses and Solomon to make graven images to be put inside the Temple etc. But he didn’t show proofs that God ordered Moses and Solomon “to kneel” before graven images. Besides, what we can read is God prohibited His people to make graven images then kneel before them.

(Deut. 5:6-9)

I am the LORD thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage.
Thou shalt have none other gods before me.
Thou shalt not make thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the waters beneath the earth: Thou shalt not bow down thyself unto them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me,

He didn’t even order Moses to kneel before the images ordered by God to make.

But let us follow his argument. Moses made graven images because God ordered him, does it follow we must also make graven images? Are we Moses? Moses was even ordered to slay the Canaanites.

Beware of this priest. It’s not surprising if he can also have you slain because God ordered it to Moses.

But wait, we can read verses that shows Moses knelt even before angels. Does that mean we must also kneel before creatures or even graven images like what these Catholic Priests are doing? If you will apply the understanding of Moses in executing Christian doctrines, then you are surely outdated like these priests.

(Col. 2:18)

Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,

In the New Testament era, you can never read something about a Christian commanded to kneel before graven images nor angels.

(Rev. 22:8-9)

And I John saw these things, and heard them. And when I had heard and seen, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel which shewed me these things. Then saith he unto me, See thou do it not: for I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book: worship God.

If you will follow the commandments of Moses in our time, you will not be justified either.

(Acts 13:39).

And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.

This priest is challenging us of showing the verse, “Where can we find in the bible the teaching that the believers of God must kneel facing the sun?” Obviously, he is very ignorant of what he is asking. We are not commanded to face the sun while kneeling. What we are doing is facing the east to have a uniformity of direction to maintain the orderliness when praying.

(I Cor. 14:40)

Let all things be done decently and in order.

(I Cor. 1:10)

Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.

Having unity and orderliness are being taught in the Bible. Also, east is very significant in Christian faith.

Then, let us ask this priest, where can you find in the Bible that Christians were commanded to make graven images then kneel?

Second, Wilfredo Santiago never disputed the belief that God has a butt just like what he does. Probably, Mister Abe’s God doesn’t have a butt contrary to the images depicted on Catholic Church’s pictures.

Let us use biblical verses to prove that God has a butt.

In the bible, God has eyes to see.

(Proverbs 15:3)

The eyes of the LORD are in every place, beholding the evil and the good.

God has ears to hear.

(1 Peter 3:12)

For the eyes of the Lord are over the righteous, and his ears are open unto their prayers: but the face of the Lord is against them that do evil.

What did God used to sit?

(Matthew 23:22)

And he that shall swear by heaven, sweareth by the throne of God, and by him that sitteth thereon.

Did God used his head to sit? Mister Abe is not critically thinking the biblical sense written in the scriptures. God cannot use anything to sit except his butt. Probably, Mister Abe uses his tongue to walk and his feet to smell. That’s weird!

(Psalms 94:9)

He that planted the ear, shall he not hear? he that formed the eye, shall he not see?

He that formed the butt, shall he not sit? Mister Abe has just joined the bandwagon of people who does not understand the belief that God has a butt because of their nonconformity to biblical standards.

SECOND INSTALLMENT OF OUR REPLY ABOUT THE ARGUMENTS ON HIS BLOG

Now that we have successfully bashed the things written on his article let us examine and resolve his reply posted on the comments section of his blog. We noticed that most comments were erased and were not approved by this hallucinating Priest.

THERE IS NOTHING IN THAT VERSE THAT SHOWS IT IS IMPERATIVE TO FACE THE EAST IN ORDER TO HAVE UNIFORMITY OF DIRECTION.

THE TRUTH IS YOU ARE IGNORANT THAT THE MOSLEMS ARE BOWING AND PROSTRATING IN WORSHIP FACING THE EAST. BECAUSE MECCA IS IN THE EAST. SO, WHY DO YOU HAVE TO IMITATE THEIR DIRECTION?

Notice that the text written on a comment made by him was written in ALL CAPS. In the Internet, if a writer uses ALL CAPS in writing, it literally means that he is shouting. I should advice him to drink a cup of warm water in order to calm him down from his terrible delusion.

It is his delusion that we copied the direction of Moslems in facing the east which he claims to be the direction of Mecca. The problem with his argument is that he is taking it literally. However, please remember that in the literal sense, the Earth is round and not flat. If we are going to take the direction we are facing literally, we can come up with the inevitable conclusion that we are also still facing the direction of the Philippines whenever we face the direction of the East, on the premise that the Earth is round.

In the bible, a uniformity of direction whenever the people of God are praying is clearly written.

(2 Chronicles 6:4)

If thy people go out to war against their enemies by the way that thou shalt send them, and they pray unto thee toward this city which thou hast chosen, and the house which I have built for thy name;

When the people of Israel go to war in a far place, they still make it a point that they are facing a uniform direction which is the direction of the city that God has chosen. However, we as Christians do not literally face the direction of Israel whenever we face the East. We are just taking the biblical essence that whenever the people of God pray, they are facing a uniform direction.

YOU ARE FACING THE EAST WHAT AND WHOM DO YOU FACE THERE? A BLANK SPACE? THAT IS SATANIC. IF YOU DO NOT FACE THE SUN, THEN YOU ARE FACING DARKNESS, THEN YOU ARE FACING OBJECTS RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOU. O HO, THAT IS IDOLATRY BY YOUR STANDARD.

SO FAR YOU HAVE NOT PROVEN TO US THAT THE TRUE BELIEVERS OF GOD MUST FACE THE EAST ALONE DURING WORSHIP.

Let us remind Mister Abe that we do not face the sun as the congregation still faces the direction of the East even at night. If we literally face the sun, it is logical to face the direction of the west and not the east. Where did you get the idea that facing a blank space is satanic? The God in the bible cannot be seen in the first place.

(1 Timothy 6:16)

Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.

That is the reason why whenever we close our eyes and pray, what we see is the image of nothingness or a blank space. That is not satanic and has a biblical basis.

We also have no claim that Christians face the East Alone whenever they pray so there is no point of insisting for us to prove that. Mister Abe is just inventing things that he can bash. We also stress to Mister Abe that we have no claim that it is imperative for Christians to face the East.

ORDERLINESS YES, BUT NOT KNEELING EASTWARD ALONE. THAT IS A DOCTRINE INVENTED BY SORIANO AND NOT BIBLICAL AND THEREFORE SATANIC BY YOUR OWN STANDARD

Orderliness itself is a doctrine being taught in the bible and not just by Soriano.

(1 Corinthians 14:40)

Let all things be done decently and in order.

On the premise that orderliness is biblical, facing the direction of the East for the sake of orderliness is also biblical and not Satanic contrary to what this Catholic Priest claims.

THE COMMAND FOR THE DESIGN OF THE TEMPLE, ALTARS AND SANCTUARIES ARE APPLICABLE FOR CHRISTIANS STILL. AND THEREFORE THERE IS NO NEED TO REPEAT THE COMMAND GIVEN BY GOD TO HIS PEOPLE.

Christians in the bible did not even build any temple or altar. They gather whenever there is a suited place for them to gather.

(Acts 2:1)

And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.

The laws regarding the design of the temple, altars and sanctuaries were given to Moses and not to Christians. In the Christian dispensation, the law of Moses is not applicable to Christians contrary to what this Catholic Priest claimed.

(Hebrews 7:11-12)

11 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron? 12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

There is a change of the law. The law which was changed is the law of Moses according to the bible. If we are going to follow the law of Moses, we will no longer be justified.

(Acts 13:39)

39 And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.

What Christians should follow is the law of Christ.

(Galatians 6:2)

2 Bear ye one another’s burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ.

The law of Moses was not even given to Christians. The law of Moses was given to the people of God Israel. Therefore it was not the Christians who have an obligation to follow the things written in the law of Moses but Israel. What this priest has said is clearly wrong based on the biblical context. Christians were not commanded to build temples according to the design given by God to Moses. What Christians follow is the law of Christ and not the law of Moses.

When it comes to Baptism, there is no payment at all. The sponsors are the one giving ‘offering’ for the child. So, that is the gift of the sponsors or godparents to the child or the catechumen. Even in the Bible, Mary and Joseph brought gifts to the Temple when Jesus was offered. Don’t pretend that you don’t have that because the money being asked of your religion is being announced by Soriano right on TV. He was asking P1,000 pesos per member in your religion..

As regards Weddings. There is a public wedding that is free for all. The wedding is expensive only if the couple wanted an engrande type which is the effect of their own decision to look rich and cozy to the public. But the wedding itself is free. The couple donates to the Church for the use of electricty, the flowers, token to the cantors and for the use of Alfombra or red carpet. If they don’t want these things then there is no need to spend.

Is there really no payment when it comes to Catholic Rites and teachings? Let mo quote what the Philippine National Here have said in his letter to the young women of Malolos.

http://joserizal.info/Writings/Other/malolos_english.htm

“Saintliness consists in the first place in obeying the dictates of reason, happen what may. “It is acts and not words that I want of you,” said Christ. “Not everyone that sayeth unto me, Lord, Lord shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in Heaven.” Saintliness does not consist in abjectness, nor is the successor of Christ to be recognized by the fact that he gives his hand to be kissed. Christ did not give the kiss of peace to the Pharisees and never gave his hand to be kissed. He did not cater to the rich and vain; He did not mention scapularies, nor did He make rosaries, or solicit offerings for the sacrifice of the Mass or exact payments for His prayers. Saint John did not demand a fee on the River Jordan, nor did Christ teach for gain. Why, then, do the friars now refuse to stir a foot unless paid in advance? And, as if they were starving, they sell scapularies, rosaries, bits, and other things which are nothing but schemes for making money and a detriment to the soul; because even if all the rags on earth were converted into scapularies and all the trees in the forest into rosaries, and if the skins of all the beasts were made into belts, and if all the priests of the earth mumbled prayers over all this and sprinkled oceans of holy water over it, this would not purify a rogue or condone sin where there is no repentance. Thus, also, through cupidity and love of money, they will, for a price, revoke the numerous prohibitions such as those against eating meat, marrying close relatives, etc. You can do almost anything if you but grease their palms. Why that? Can God be bribed and bought off, and blinded by money, nothing more nor less than a friar? The brigand who has obtained a bull of compromise can live calmly on the proceeds of his robbery, because he will be forgiven. God, then, will sit at a table where theft provides the viands? Has the Omnipotent become a pauper that He must assume the role of the excise man or gendarme? If that is the God whom the friar adores, then I turn my back upon that God.”

Not less than the National Hero is a witness that teachings from the Catholic Church requires its members to pay for baptism, mass for the forgiveness of sins of the dead and even weddings. It is a fact that Catholics are required by their Church to pay for such doctrines as stated by our National Hero. The Christian doctrine is given for free contrary to the Catholic doctrines.

(Matthew 10:7-8)

And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand. 8 Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give.

It is also not true that Bro. Eli was asking each of our members to give 1000 pesos monthly. He was simply citing a hypothetical example that if each 1000 members will give 1000 pesos in order to pay for the expenses for the gospel propagation of the Church, then it would be nice. We have now the KAPI that does that out of their own volition.

Nowhere in the video will you hear Bro. Eli requiring each member to give 1000 pesos. While the true Christian Church does not require people to pay for baptism and other teachings, it does require Christians to help, share and love one another specially those people teaching them in all good things. Bro. Eli uses his personal money in funding much projects – much different from other pastors who receive instead of give.

New International Version (©1984)
(Galatians 6:6)

Anyone who receives instruction in the word must share all good things with his instructor.

Gospel propagation nowadays, specially if we are using modern technology requires money. Money that is used for the salvation of souls of more and more people who will know the truth unlike the money collected by Catholic Priests that only goes to their belly.

Now, you are complaining of injustice for Eli Soriano. When Soriano was attacking our faith, our Pope, our priests and Bishops where were you? You were enjoying it. You didn’t bother to give the benefit of the doubt to others. Now that we learned to return fire with fire you feel the pain.

Return fire with fire? Let me remind this Priest that Pope Benedict XVI calls for ecumenism for the sake of peace.

Ecumenism & Unity

Pope Benedict XVI on Ecumenism
Church Committed to Ecumenism, Says Pope
And Calls for Growth in Dialogue With Muslims

VATICAN CITY, APRIL 25, 2005 (Zenit.org).- Benedict XVI confirmed the Catholic Church’s “irreversible” commitment to ecumenism and appealed to believers of all religions to become promoters of peace.

http://www.holylove.org/ecumenism_unity_pope_benedict_XVI.php

What this Priest had written contradicts what the Catholic Pontiff  tries to teach to a majority of Catholics. Reading his article gives me doubt that he is really a Catholic Priest. He sounds like more of an INC member pretending to be a Catholic because he borrows some of his bullets from the INC.

Nevertheless, since he is the one who wrote this article and claims to be a Catholic Priest, will he accept a challenge for a debate with ADD on National Television?

How nice of you to use Ecumenism and Unity on this Blog. Now you are making it look as if Eli Soriano is after Ecumenism and Unity ha.

Pope Benedict XVI is teaching Ecumnism and Unity and indeed that is a pastoral concern of the Catholic Church. And Pope Benedict is living that. If you are truly reading regularly Zenith News you will notice that Pope Benedict does not attack other faith.

You yourself have said that Pope Benedict XVI does not attack other religions contrary to what you are doing right now. We are not making Bro. Eli Soriano look as if he is after Ecumenism and Unity. It was the Catholic Pontiff who seeks that which does not manifest in you as a Priest.

But, can we say the same thing with Eli Soriano? Definitely not. Soriano demonized and is demonizing the Pope and the Catholic Church. And therefore, the concerned Catholics are necessitated to defend the faith and to respond to these attacks.

So, you want us Catholics to be Ecumenical while Soriano is free to destroy our faith and take away Catholic souls to his heresies, eh? How nice of you.

It was not us who wants Catholics to be ecumenical; It was your pope who wants that and not us. You better tell the pope to retract his declaration first before doing a counter-attack against other religions who criticize the Catholic Faith. The defense of Catholics is more than welcome and we are willing to take your responses and respond back. However, with you doing this violates what the Pope in Rome had said who calls for ecumenism.

A CHALLENGE FOR A DEBATE

Apparently this Catholic Priest made a challenge to brother Daniel to face a rising Catholic Defender in a debate base on the reply that he made on his blog.

http://thesplendorofthechurch.blogspot.com/2009/11/update-on-church-of-god-international.html#comment-form

“How about the ongoing challenge of Atty. Marwil Llasos, the rising star of Catholic Apologetics nowadays? Will Daniel Razon be generous enough to accept it?

DON’T TELL ME THAT RAZON IS BUSY BEHIND THE CAMERA. For sure you can hire people to do the dirty works at the backstage rather than Mr. Daniel Razon.”

As a counter-challenge, I asked him if he is willing to debate ADD on National Television.

“Nevertheless, since you are the one who wrote this article and you claim to be Catholic Priest, will you accept a challenge for a debate with ADD on National Television?”

Since Mister Abe is a Catholic Priest and made an article against ADD, let’s see if he himself can accept a challenge for a debate. After informing him of this challenge, I sense that there is hesitation on his part base on his reply.

“Concerning Debate: Before I answer your question, I want to know who you are first and what is your relation with the ADD. I DO NOT ENTRUST MY ACTIVITIES ON STRANGERS LIKE YOU. The problem is that there are so many anonymous who are PRETENDING to be spokesperson of certain religions but in actuality they are mere PARASITES claiming to be part of such a body.”

Will a Catholic Priest finally face Bro. Eli Soriano in a debate or just pussy foot on it? I hope that what the bible says concerning some people will not apply to him.

(Jeremiah 51:30)

30 The mighty men of Babylon have forborn to fight, they have remained in their holds: their might hath failed; they became as women: they have burned her dwellingplaces; her bars are broken.

I’ve just finished reading the accusations of Mr. Abe and they contain lots of loopholes and arguments without substance. Some are just mere sarcasms and trash talks of a priest pretending to be decent. I met a lot of apologetics and arguers that know how to be a gentleman and be decent but this priest is like a teasing child. It reminds me of the adage, “Class clowns are usually the weakest link in a group.” It will never even pose a threat for he cannot persuade an intellectual and fair reader.

By force of circumstances, Bro. Eli was compelled to go abroad in order to avoid unnecessary things to happen. There are threats in his life and adversaries are planning schemes to muzzle his mouth for they cannot refute what he is teaching. They even sued him of many charges he had never done. In spite of that, he is not afraid of being killed while performing his duty. But there are brethren who are willing to die just to save his life. Bro. Eli doesn’t like someone to sacrifice for him. Though, for a caring member, to die out of concern for a person like Bro. Eli is Biblical. Let us read Romans 5:7,

(Romans 5:7)

“For scarcely for a righteous man will one die: yet peradventure for a good man some would even dare to die.”

At the height of persecutions, Bro. Eli fled for abroad, not because he is guilty of wrongdoings like the narrow-minded one is accusing; he fled because he is an obedient preacher. Let us read the commandment of Christ for persecuted preachers.

(Matthew 10:23)

“But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come.”

Escaping is not a sign of guilt; Bro. Eli’s fleeing is a sign of obedience. But if you will follow Mister Abe’s thinking, apostles ordered by Christ to flee were guilty for escaping as a sign of guilt.

Mister Abe said:

“Don’t you know that escaping and hiding are signs of GUILT. Jesus, Peter and Paul didn’t hide. They courageously face their accusers and persecutors. Ninoy Aquino and Jose Rizal didn’t hide. They faced the accusations.”

If that is Mister Abe’s belief, I would rather choose to believe Jesus than he who is not approved.

It is also true that Jesus, Peter and Paul are courageous persons in the Bible. They were engaged in debates and they are brave enough to face other preachers. I wonder that Mister Abe didn’t learn from Jesus, Peter and Paul for he evades the challenge to debate with Bro. Eli. He consistently points to others to debate instead of him. If we will borrow Mr. Abe’s word, it is nicely fitted to him.

Mister Abe said:

“Soriano has every opportunity to show courage and moral ascendancy on the face of his accusers but he preferred the cowardly way of escaping and hiding. That is very low of him.”

This could be true if we will change Bro. Soriano to Mister Abe. Mister Abe has every opportunity to show courage and moral ascendency on a one-on-one debate against Bro. Eli but he preferred the cowardly way of pointing to others instead of him. That is very low of Mister Abe hiding behind the skirt of INCM and Wilfredo Santiago.

Mister Abe doesn’t know what hiding really means. If Bro. Eli is hiding, then this priest has already had his edge. But why until now is he afraid to engage on a one-on-one debate? Besides, can he prove that Bro. Eli is hiding? Is he hiding if he is always exposed exposing false teachings in Bible Expositions at least three countries or continents a week?

Is Bro. Eli hiding if he travels in public vehicles to reach many souls asking for his service? Is he hiding if in spite of his being abroad, you can still talk to him personally? Is he hiding if he has not failed to preach in every gathering at least thrice a week? Is he hiding if he doesn’t almost sleep in caring for the welfare of his brethren?

Or indeed Mr. Abe is such a blind person for he cannot see Bro. Eli. Or Mister Abe is the one hiding for he cannot accept the challenge to debate with Bro. Eli. Can you consider Mister Abe a courageous man if every time he is challenged, he consistently diverts it to others?

Mister Abe has a serious disease – excusitis, the disease of making excuses to avoid obligations. I think we are hopeless with this coward priest to have such confrontation. His attitude is not new to us; it only reminds us of the INCM ministers who evade debate against Brother Eli.

Once and for all, our challenge is very simple. A “yes” or “no” answer can solve it. Is Mister Abe ready and willing to argue against Bro. Eli on a debate? If yes, then let’s set it up immediately. If no, then let’s praise Mister Abe for his honesty. But if we analyze his consistent excuses, I think Mr. Abe will answer “or”.

MR. ABE, YES OR NO?

124 Responses

  1. It could be better if we will put our replies here instead of making a lengthy discussion to the terrain made by this lame priest.

    Just standby for my replies God willing.🙂

  2. Do you know why he won’t come out? This Padre Abe is sharing his skirts with two kinds:

    One group is from the INC who pretend to be Catholics.

    The second group represents those who were given to satan by Bro. Eliseo Soriano and they pretend to be Catholics giving information to this man who is a willing tool…. See More

    He doesn’t know the facts. He is just the mouth. For how much, we do not know.

    If catholic priests sell their baptism rites, wedding rites, etcetera, how much more for risking one’s name to the Ang Dating Daan who are very knowledgeable about where they stand and won’t take things sitting down?

    How much more for challenging the most learned man when it comes to the Bible?

    Can anyone beat Bro. Eli?

    Stop those lies and quit your braggadocio, proud man!

  3. CORRECTION RE 2ND GROUP: This group is composed of those given to satan from the ADD and pretend to be current ADD members.

    And they pretend to be asking questions as to correctness of doctrines from Padre Abe.

    What the priest does not know is that a bona fide member of the ADD does not ask questions of faith to anyone but Bro. Eli.

    The problem with these guys is that they had been asking questions to Willy Santiago whom they acknowledged as more knowledgeable about the bible.

    That is their fate now. They go from worse to worse. And so they go to this Padre like they want to know some answers but their intention is to destroy – using him.

    Poor Padre! He is being used and he does not know.

  4. This Padre Abe doesn’t know the whole story and yet he has the courage to write a trash blog.

  5. I guess you can now copy paste your comments from the other side to this site.

    It’s warmer here.

    And better too!

    Yo!

  6. The last statement asked –

    MR. ABE, YES OR NO?

    Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeesssssssssssssssssssssssss?

    Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo?

    I am waiting – with excitement.

  7. all i can say is that IT IS BIBLICALLY IMPOSSIBLE FOR THE CATHOLIC CHURCH TO BE THE TRUE CHURCH THAT IS IN THE BIBLE.

    WHAT ARE WE REALLY TALKING HERE, ELABORATELY ADORNED LIES AND DECEPTIONS OR THE VULGARLY UNDENIABLE TRUTH THAT IS IN THE BIBLE?

    ITS EVEN IMPOSSIBLE FOR US TO JUST EVEN FIND ANY SIMILARITY.

    THE DISTINCTION IS SO SHARP AND IT IS THAT SHARP DISTINCTION THAT HAD ULTIMATELY LED ME TO DUMP THE CULT BEING A FORMER CATHOLIC MYSELF.

    THE IMMINENCE OF WAR HAS ALREADY VANISHED MY DEAR BROTHERS AND SISTERS IN CHRIST.

    WE KNOW OUR ENEMY AND OUR ENEMY IS DESPERATE.

    I AM WITH YOU ALL THE WAY MY DEAR BROTHERS AND SISTERS.

  8. hahaha.. in the same way as it is indeed IMPOSSIBLE FOR THE MEMBERS CHURCH OF GOD INTERNATIONAL TO BE the True Church..

    I know Fr. Abe .. see? be careful on your words. you are making a LIE!!

    • @athan

      So you know this Padre Abe.

      So what now?

      Is he going to accept the challenge to debate with Bro. Eli?

      It is not enough to just blahblahblah.

      The proof is in being able to defend one’s teachings.

      • @ KOTAWINTERS
        hehehe.. have’nt you read his statement? how can he entrust himself to an ANONYMOUS ADD ? many CFD awaits for Mr. Eli Soriano. anyway,. i would like to thank Mr. Soriano. because of him, i tend to LOVE THE CATHOLIC CHURCH MORE. hehehe

      • It does not manifest with the CFD even if Bro. Soriano goes to their place in Cebu multiple times already.

    • @ ATHAN

      WE DONT NEED DESPERATE BLUFFS HERE AND AMOKS, PROVE IT AND NOT JUST RUMOR MONGER HERE BECAUSE WE ARE NOT IDIOTS HERE TO JUST BELIEVE IN YOUR DESPERATE AMOKS! PROVE THAT ACCORDING TO THE BIBLE THE CATHOLIC CHURCH IS THE TRUE CHURCH IN THE BIBLE AND I WILL DISPROVE IT ACCORDING ALSO TO THE BIBLE! I REFUSE TO ACCEPT THAT THE CATHOLIC CHURCH IS THE TRUE CHURCH IN THE BIBLE! ARE YOU UP TO THE CHALLENGE?? I AM CHALLENGING YOU!!!

      • For the sake of truth: if you challenge me on an ON-LINE DEBATE. yes!! i ACCEPT YOUR CHALLENGE. and tell me whats the TOPIC you wish to prove

        • @ athan

          YOU WROTE:
          For the sake of truth: if you challenge me on an ON-LINE DEBATE. yes!! i ACCEPT YOUR CHALLENGE. and tell me whats the TOPIC you wish to prove.

          Haha! No wonder you are so brave in responding. You do not know your caliber compared to the one you are challenging.

          • oh c’mon. look on KOTAWINTERS .. AT FIRST. HE IS THE ONE WHO IS CHALLENGING ME” and if you could notice my response , i said “I Accept YOUR Challenge” meaning, HE IS THE ONE CHALLENGING ME. and look? he now turn upside down the story. ITS ME WHOM HE SAY, THE ONE CHALLENGING HIM.. HAHAHA.. i dont care whatever caliber your refering to. GOD IS WITH US and so is the TRUTH. hahaha

          • The God of the Bible is not with what you refer as “US”, it’s just your fanatic delusion because YOU CANNOT PROVE IT ACCORDING TO THE BIBLE. IT’S JUST AN ABSOLUTELY DESPERATE CLAIM.

          • Lalo na yung claim nyo na kayo yung Iglesia ng Diyos dahil komo yun ang nakarehistrong pangalan ng imbento nyong samahan sa SEC. hal: di porke ang pangalan mong nakarehistro sa civil registry eh Jesus eh ikaw na yung Jesus sa bibliya. Parehong kaso sa inyo. Di porke rehistrado ang grupo nyo as Iglesia ng Diyos eh kayo na yung tinutukoy sa bibliya. Panloloko yun. Panong kayo yung Iglesia ng Diyos eh bagong tatag lang yang grupo nyo at sa Apalit, Pampanga pa of all places. Kaya ikaw ang gumising sa iyong halusinasyon.

          • Thanks God Parabanog admitted that the church mentioned in the Bible is the Church of God. He knew that the Roman Catholic Apostolic Church is nowhere to be found in the scripture.

            We can also catch him in what he said. He cannot present rebuttals in questions raised against him but he rather focused on throwing trash talks. Observe:

            christiandefenders asked: “What kind of god do you have if your teachings are just man-made?”

            Parabanog answered: “Lalo na yung claim nyo na kayo yung Iglesia ng Diyos dahil komo yun ang nakarehistrong pangalan ng imbento nyong samahan sa SEC.”

            If you use the word “lalo” or especially, you are distinguishing a greater degree or special emphasis than is common. Example, in Galatians 6:10 it says,

            (Gal 6:10) As we have therefore opportunity, let us do good unto all men, ,especially unto them who are of the household of faith.

            We must do good unto all men especially unto them who are of the household of faith. We do good to all men, but must especially do good to them who are of the household of faith.

            Parabanog is assumed to be following man-made teachings. He answered “lalo na yung claim niyo na kayo yung iglesia ng Diyos etc”

            See?

            He never denied that their teachings are really man-made; he just tried to emphasize ours than them. But unlucky he is, ours are not manmade.

            First, we do not claim that we are the Church of God written in the Bible. I think Parabanog must make a further research first before spreading his rumor. How can we claim that we are the Church of God if it already existed almost 2,000 years ago? It was already established even before our grandparents’ grandparents’ birth.

            We are in our wits when we say his are manmade. We also understand that we don’t need to establish a new church for there has been an existing church from the time of the Lord Jesus Christ until now and even until eternity. All we need to do is to become affiliated in the church established by God written in the Bible. Let us read in Ephesians 3:6.

            (Eph 3:6) That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:

            Gentiles are partakers of God’s promises and they are of the same body. Being a partaker of this body means to be a part of it, an affiliate, a member. We are members of this body. The body mentioned by Paul in Ephesus is the same body mentioned to Colossians. That is the church. Let us read in Colossians 1:18.

            (Col 1:18) And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.

            What is the name of this church taught by Saint Paul? Is it called by the name of the Romans?

            (1Ti 2:7) Whereunto I am ordained a preacher, and an apostle, (I speak the truth in Christ, and lie not;) a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and verity.

            Paul is teaching us of a place where he is ordained as a preacher and an apostle. He also guaranteed that what he is teaching here are not lies. What is this place where you can be sure of what to follow? Let us read in I Corinthians 1:1-2.

            (1Co 1:1) Paul, called to be an apostle of Jesus Christ through the will of God, and Sosthenes our brother,

            (1Co 1:2) Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours:

            It is clearly stated that it is not the Catholic Church but the Church of God! How can that be an invention if we are just following what was written?

            The church that was taught by St. Paul has been continuing to exist unto our time for it has a purpose that extends until eternity.

            (Eph 3:10) To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God,

            (Eph 3:11) According to the eternal purpose which he purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord:

            Thus, it is safe to conclude that there is a true church in our time and that is the Church of God written in the Bible. We are members of it; we are not presumptuous as what this creature accused us.

            Being a member in the Church of God is not an invented belief, it is clearly Biblical. The one really invented and unbiblical is the name defended by Parabanog, the Roman Catholic Apostolic Church.

          • Will you be willing to debate with us in a close door discussion wherein the only people are the debating parties, cameramen, moderator and time-keeper. Since you complain of crowd emotion which is normal on a public debate with live audience, I close-door debate will be suitable for you. However, we still prefer to debate on National Television wherein the debating parties do not necessarily have to be on the same place. There is also no crowd emotion on that setup if you don’t want that.

          • Nice try Padre Abe. What you have said is poorly written.

          • @ HEAVEN’S KNIGHT:

            ROMAN CATHOLIC APOSTOLIC CHURCH? INVENTED NAME?

            HOW COME? HAVE YOU READ GREEK ORIGINAL TRANSLATION??

          • Yes, I have. I have read a Greek translation of the Bible and you cannot ever read Ekklesia Katholikos or Catholic Church in English, Simbahang Katolika in Tagalog, Iglesia Katolika in Spanish. It is just an invented name.

            What can be read in the Bible eleven times is Church of God.

            No apostle mentioned or preached the name Roman Catholic Apostolic Church, none, not even once.

            Read this article for details.

            https://christiandefenders.wordpress.com/2009/12/20/ekklesia-kata-holos-catholic-church-can-this-be-considered-as-the-rightful-translation-2/?preview=true&preview_id=148&preview_nonce=64700f0cd5

          • Can you show us our claim that we are the Church of God in the bible?

          • We did not even claim that we are the Church of God in the Bible. We are simply the Members of the Church of God written in the bible. We did not established our own Church because we just got affiliated with it (Church of God). And please remember that there is no SEC during the time when the Apostles are still physically preaching so it will not be registered during their time.

          • What kind of god do you have if your teachings are just man-made?

          • if Our TEACHINGS are just man-made? hehehehe.. what an IMPERTINENT accusation. prove me a SINGLE “Dogma” of the Catholic Church which is just man made

          • @ Beltran O.P.

            The Sacrament of Confirmation is just man-made. There is no such thing as confirmation in the Christian doctrine.

      • Please go to this website if you two wants an online debate http://yirmeyah.net

        That is an online forum suitable for an online debate. Just adhere to the rules of that site.

    • @athan

      I am just so intrigued with what you said because I challenged you here and you responded,

      “For the sake of truth: if you challenge me on an ON-LINE DEBATE. yes!! i ACCEPT YOUR CHALLENGE. and tell me whats the TOPIC you wish to prove”

      Let’s have this topic as a starter,

      THE ROMAN CATHOLIC APOSTOLIC CHURCH IS CATEGORICALLY NOT THE TRUE CHURCH OF GOD ACCORDING TO THE BIBLE.

      If you agree with the topic I will lay down my premise and you will rebut it after and vice versa.

      DO YOU AGREE WITH THE TOPIC?

      • @ QUIEL:

        THE CATHOLIC CHURCH AS THE TRUE CHURCH? OR NOT THE TRUE CHURCH AS A STARTING TOPIC:

        I AGREE!! USING WHAT? “BIBLE ALONE”? WITHOUT REFERENCE? OR BIBLE AND REFERENCES?? HEHEHE ..

        @ KOTAWINTERS:

        WELL THANK YOU FOR YOUR ADMISSION OF IGNORANCE. The MARY WE HAVE, IS IMPLICIT TO THE BIBLICAL TRUTH. IT JUST HAPPEN YOURE SO IGNORANT.. hahahaha..

      • Christians do not pray to Mary.

      • @ Christiandefenders:

        you said, “Christians do not pray to MAry”

        response,

        REAL CHRISTIANS FILLED WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT BLESS AND HONOR MARY🙂 hihihi

        • Prove it. Is there a Christian who prayed to Mary in the Bible?

  9. Viva La IGLESIA CATOLICA!! The CAtholic Church is the ONLY TRUE CHURCH FOUNDED BY CHRIST HIMSELF!!

    Biblically, and HISTORICALLY.

    • @ ATHAN

      ITS BIBLICALLY IMPOSSIBLE FOR YOU TO PROVE IT. ITS JUST A DESPERATE CLAIM AND IT WILL REMAIN THAT WAY AS LONG AS THE BIBLE EXIST IN THIS WORLD. TELL THAT TO THE MARINES.

      • Athan,

        You are wrong.

        The true Church in the bible which existed way back in the time of Abraham, time of Moses, which was called the church in the wilderness among others, and in the times of Jesus Christ and the apostles, which is the The Church of God.

        1 Corinthians 1:2 (New King James Version)

        2 To the church of God which is at Corinth, to those who are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all who in every place call on the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours:

        Where in the bible can you find the name catholic church, let alone the true Church?

        I admire you defending the catholic, for I was a catholic before, but I assure you, it is not the true church, and when I first found it out after I became a member in The Church of God, my heart sunk, for my whole family is in that religion except my daughter.

        My best regards, and if I may say this in behalf of the author, I want you to throw in your thoughts about our faith. We welcome you.

        Thanks be to God.

      • Well it is BIBLICALLY POSSIBLE THAT I CAN PROVE THE CATHOLIC CHURCH AS FOUNDED BY CHRIST. and TO GIVE YOU A BONUS. i could also prove it FROM THE HISTORY. bout you? can you prove your cult from BOTH? hahaha

      • @JOCELYN53

        The Church you were refering as that in the wilderness is ISRAEL. it is the name of the PEOPLE OF GOD during old testament times. see the difference? they are THE PEOPLE OF GOD. but their name is not THE PEOPLE OF GOD rather , ISRAEL. in the sameway as the true Church of God in the New Testament. it is called the CHURCH OF GOD. but the official name is CATHOLIC CHURCH. kindly think of this analogy:

        GOD’S OWNERSHIP NAME

        PEOPLE OF GOD (O.T.) – ISRAEL
        SON OF GOD – JESUS CHRIST
        MOUNTAIN OF GOD – ZION

        NOW..

        CHURCH OF GOD? – CHURCH OF GOD ALSO?

        i just wonder. please do not pretend to have know the Bible in its TOTALITY. if you ask me WHERE CAN YOU FIND THE NAME “Catholic Church” in the bible. then, i must aske you in turn. WHERE IN THE BIBLE CAN YOU FIND THE TERM Church of God – “INTERNATIONAL” ??

        so ABSURD. and it really made me laugh. Did you know that the greek word CATHOLIC is one of the SYNONYM of the english word INTERNATIONAL?? hahahaha..

        Dont use INTERNATIONAL also. because international means KATHOLIKOS.

      • When I was still a Catholic, my Religion teacher taught us that the word Catholic means “Universal”. Now you are telling us that it means “International”. Which one is true?

    • @ Athan,

      “Internatonal” for purposes of registration with the SEC. Church of God yes, it is the Church of God, not the Catholic Church. If there is a choice in naming the Church, then use what is in the bible. Why go to the dictionary and get the meaning to name your church. The answer s simple, your leaders did not find the name of the Church of God in the bible. For your were not the true church in the first place. I am sorry to say this, for I was a catholic before. I was for 45 years, and never have I known the beauty of the
      bible until I joined the Church of God.

      Thanks be to God. I know my reply came very late.

  10. Hurry up Mr. Abe, this is your chance!

  11. Mr. Padre Abe, face Bro. Eli on a one-on-one debate on national tv or internet.

    If you really care for the souls of ex-catholics then accept this challenge since you are a catholic priest.

    It is hopeless that any Manalo family of INC will face Bro Eli. You can be the hope of millions of catholics who are already considering of renouncing your “IGLESIA CATOLICA”.

    • @ Tatang:

      please dont assume too much. we have a convert from you. hehehe

      • @athan?

        How many converts do you have?

      • @athan:
        oops, nevermind. this answers my question… “we have a convert”

        • A CONVERT. Recently.

          But they have more – and they are those thrown away from the ADD for spiritual filth.

          Garbage from us.

    • hahaha.. TATANG .. im sorry for the word po ano? but .. compare the catholic Church naman with your cult. eh sobrang LAYO.. you know that? hehehe.. even if the Philippines would be converted to your so called “Members, Church of God INTERNATIONAL( Oops.. Catholic IS a synonym of INTERNATIONAL ) still it wont be a lost for a BILLION OF CATHOLICS world wide.. hehehe. Mama Mary loves you!!

      • Douay-Rheims Bible
        Matthew 7:13-14

        13 Enter ye in at the narrow gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way that leadeth to destruction, and many there are who go in thereat. 14 How narrow is the gate, and strait is the way that leadeth to life: and few there are that find it!

      • buti na lang may lumabas na brother eli at nasiwalat lahat ng kabalbalan ng mga maling iglesiya ng kademonyohan!

        mga tao, mag isip kayo kung nasa bibliya ba ang itinuturo ng iglesia ninyo!

        salamat, brother eli!

        • I’m approving this just now but please do try to post your comment in English next time.

  12. I find Mr. Abe as a priest who doesn’t know what he was talking about. He was putting MCGI in the bad light commenting about the information relayed to him by his neophyte Catholic Apologist named Beltran O.P.

    From top to bottom, Mr Abe tried to question the decision of the Presiding Minister of the Members Church of God International (MCGI), one was how he handled the rebels, which includes Willy Santiago and his cohorts; and the task given to the Vice Presiding Minister, Kuya Daniel Razon. He wrote of his opinion.

    Try to evaluate every congregation, sectarian or nonsectarian, has members who aspire to be “the” leader and was booted out of the organization. Does an event like this and the corresponding action towards the perpetrators prove that MCGI has false doctrines? Of course not!

    While leaders are being killed just so the existing leader will remain in the seat of power, the Roman Catholic Church history shows both members and leaders played their role, participating in the massacre of millions of people.

    The deceased Pope John Paul II has said sorry for the mass murders done under the Roman Catholic Church leadership. One of the causes of these deaths was to combat or suppress heresy by eliminating factions and groups who disagree with the said Church. There is a script of a video which can be found at CNN website. The video was aired last March 12, 2000 – 9:01 a.m. at ET. It was a Sunday Morning News entitled, “Pope John Paul II Makes Unprecedented Apology For Sins of Catholic Church.”

    “…JIM BITTERMANN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Miles, Pope John Paul II put it this way, “We forgive and we ask forgiveness.” And with that, he led church leaders and followers in sweeping confession, seeking repentance for sins that may have been committed over the past 2,000 years in the name of the church.

    They fell into seven general categories of wrongs which include, without being too specific, everything from the Crusades to the Inquisition, the forced conversions, to sins against women and anti- Jewish acts. It was a first for the church, which has only rarely and only in specific instances confessed errors in the past. The pope’s sermon offered an explanation for today’s day of pardon….”

    These errors resulted in false doctrines of the Roman Catholic Church. Pope John Paul II died without tackling other sins of his Church.

    Mr. Abe, how did your forefathers handle the heretics in your Church? Need I remind you about that again? Did they show a poker face while some were put in the stake?

    You said, “…But of course, Soriano is fuming mad and as a retaliation he issued a Fatwa… I mean Excommunication in a very Christian form worst than the Anathema Sit of the Council of Trent against the Protestants and heretics. Soriano preferred the Pauline language of: “Giving over to Satan”. It means that he was entrusting Willy and his rebel companions to the devil….”

    Who is fuming mad? Bro. Eli just showed how the early Christians practice justice and mercy among the brethren, even those who wants to follow Satan. Willy Santiago and his cohorts were given a chance to give their side but they opted to remain silent. Why?

    (1 Timothy 5:15)
    For some are already turned aside after Satan.

    Santiago, together with his cohorts were given to Satan because that is how they should be handled, biblical speaking.

    Again, who is fuming mad? Mr. Abe, retaliation is not our walk, it’s yours. We do not wear white clothes of hypocrisy. And your statement proves that you try to make the mass killings of your Mother Church , which your former Pope was sorry for better than the biblical teachings how biblical Christians should handle their rebellious companions.

    Matthew 23:13 NIV
    “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You shut the kingdom of heaven in men’s faces. You yourselves do not enter, nor will you let those enter who are trying to.

    Mr Abe, don’t make a clown out of yourself, and you are not funny even as a heckler. Your Mother Church does not have a good history to begin with. In contrast, the early Christians fight a good fight; holding faith, and a good conscience. And the MCGI follow the doctrine and we do not contend to what Saint Paul said in the Holy Bible.

    2 Timothy 1:3 NIV
    I thank God, whom I serve, as my forefathers did, with a clear conscience, as night and day I constantly remember you in my prayers.

    1 Timothy 1 KJV

    10For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;

    11According to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, which was committed to my trust.

    12And I thank Christ Jesus our Lord, who hath enabled me, for that he counted me faithful, putting me into the ministry;

    13Who was before a blasphemer, and a persecutor, and injurious: but I obtained mercy, because I did it ignorantly in unbelief.

    14And the grace of our Lord was exceeding abundant with faith and love which is in Christ Jesus.

    15This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.

    18This charge I commit unto thee, son Timothy, according to the prophecies which went before on thee, that thou by them mightest war a good warfare;

    19Holding faith, and a good conscience; which some having put away concerning faith have made shipwreck:

    20Of whom is Hymenaeus and Alexander; whom I have delivered unto Satan, that they may learn not to blaspheme.

    There are write-ups that answers the post of Mr. Abe”s opinion, “An Analysis of A Malicious Blog Created by a Catholic Priest, Fr. Abe Arganiosao.”

    Matthew 22 New International Version

    34Hearing that Jesus had silenced the Sadducees, the Pharisees got together. 35One of them, an expert in the law, tested him with this question:

    36″Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?” 37Jesus replied: ” ‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’ 38This is the first and greatest commandment. 39And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ 40All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”

    I will simply tell you, Priest Abe, the Catholic Defender of Idol Worship, I dare you to ask Bro. Eli if you can’t face him in a debate!

    Haggai 2:11
    “This is what the LORD Almighty says: ‘Ask the priests what the law says:

    To God be the glory and reverence!

  13. I have re-read the write-up.

    It’s very deep and analytical – the best I have read in many years.

    The writer is very much talented.

    Tnxb2G! May your kind increase!

    I can imagine that Priest Abe seeing himself as a fool and for taking revenge, he only swung swords hitting on anything without using his head.

    Again I say, he had allowed himself to be used.

  14. You only made the blog of Fr. Abe popular.. hehehe.. thanks.. Mama Mary loves you !! haha

    • @athan

      It is foolish to be thanking anyone to be exposed to the world of your foolishness and deception.

      Also, we don’t thank idols here like your mama whoever. Thanks belongs to the Almighty God.

      • At least si Birhen Maria eh nabanggit sa bibliya na “totoong pinakamamahal”. (cf. Lk 1:28)Yung amo mong patung-patong ang kaso eh ni kudlit di man lang binanggit sa bibliya. Tindi pang manghuthut ng tig-iisang libo sa miyembro.

      • Mary does not accept thanks from man because she himself thanks the God Almighty.

        Speaking of getting money from members. I would like to quote our National Hero who wrote the things that the Catholic Church does to its members.

        http://joserizal.info/Writings/Other/malolos_english.htm

        “Saintliness consists in the first place in obeying the dictates of reason, happen what may. “It is acts and not words that I want of you,” said Christ. “Not everyone that sayeth unto me, Lord, Lord shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in Heaven.” Saintliness does not consist in abjectness, nor is the successor of Christ to be recognized by the fact that he gives his hand to be kissed. Christ did not give the kiss of peace to the Pharisees and never gave his hand to be kissed. He did not cater to the rich and vain; He did not mention scapularies, nor did He make rosaries, or solicit offerings for the sacrifice of the Mass or exact payments for His prayers. Saint John did not demand a fee on the River Jordan, nor did Christ teach for gain. Why, then, do the friars now refuse to stir a foot unless paid in advance? And, as if they were starving, they sell scapularies, rosaries, bits, and other things which are nothing but schemes for making money and a detriment to the soul; because even if all the rags on earth were converted into scapularies and all the trees in the forest into rosaries, and if the skins of all the beasts were made into belts, and if all the priests of the earth mumbled prayers over all this and sprinkled oceans of holy water over it, this would not purify a rogue or condone sin where there is no repentance. Thus, also, through cupidity and love of money, they will, for a price, revoke the numerous prohibitions such as those against eating meat, marrying close relatives, etc. You can do almost anything if you but grease their palms. Why that? Can God be bribed and bought off, and blinded by money, nothing more nor less than a friar? The brigand who has obtained a bull of compromise can live calmly on the proceeds of his robbery, because he will be forgiven. God, then, will sit at a table where theft provides the viands? Has the Omnipotent become a pauper that He must assume the role of the excise man or gendarme? If that is the God whom the friar adores, then I turn my back upon that God.”

    • WELL THANK YOU FOR ADMITTING HERE THAT WE ARE WORTH THE ATTENTION ATHAN BECAUSE HAS IT NOT FOR US THE TRASHY BLOG OF THAT DESPERATE RUMOR MONGER PRIEST WILL JUST REMAIN SWARMED BY FLIES UNTIL IT IS TOTALLY FORGOTTEN LIKE GOOD AS DEAD. BY THE WAY ATHAN, HOW DO YOU KNOW WHO MAMA MARY IS WHEN YOU ARE SO GROSSLY IGNORANT OF WHO SHE REALLY IS? WHY WONT YOU ASK ME WHY I SAID YOU ARE GROSSLY IGNORANT WITH REGARDS TO MAMA MARY? CMON ASK ME.

      • oh? really? well I KNOW MAMA MARY more than you Sorianans do. i know her, because… She is part of the TRUE CHURCH. remember what the Bible said? “he is with the disciples” (Acts 1:14) She is with us, not with you.. a simple question for you Quiel,

        “Do we have to love Mary?”😛

      • You do not know your mama mary athan do not give us boastful bluffs here. What do you know?

        The mama mary that you know is DISTINCTLY AND EXTREMELY DIFFERENT from the Mary mother of the flesh of Jesus Christ in the Bible! That’s one of the reason why I dumped your PAGAN CULT because the cult that you are boasting here IS VERY IGNORANT OF THE BIBLE! Yes you hypocritically read the Bible in your UNBIBLICAL masses as a sacrilegious show off but you do not understand it, in fact, you claim that your cult is almost 2000 years of insidious existence but up until now all of you are IDOL WORSHIPERS, INFANT BAPTIZERS, SACRAMENT MONEY MAKING MERCHANTS, INFLUENCE PEDDLERS, INVENTORS OF THE PURGATORY WHICH CANNOT BE FOUND IN ANY TRANSLATION OF THE BIBLE, and many ANTI BIBLICAL MONEY MAKING ACTIVITIES WHICH YOU ALL DESPERATELY CLAIM TO BE OF DIRECT DIVINE INTERVENTION AND AUTHORITY. You may gush out your bowels in front of me BUT IT IS BIBLICALLY IMPOSIBLE FOR YOU TO SOLIDLY PROVE YOUR DESPERATE CLAIMS HERE. Why wont you answer to my question above if you agree on the topic of our debate INSTEAD OF YOU POSTING IMPERTINENT SARCASTIC REMARKS HERE? ARE YOU AFRAID?

      • when I was younger some of my relatives survived in an accident, then my tita asked me to go to this catholic church in marikina. so I went to their office to say that we would like to offer thanksgiving, I was told to write the names then they ask for payment. wooaahh!
        so imagine a lot of fanatic catholic (sarado katoliko) would like to offer thanksgiving then it’s a sure “papa” for the padre and cohorts.
        that’s just one example or patotoo hindi paninira!

  15. Athan? Another blogger who argues without substance…

    He, like Mr. Abe, goes on being sarcastic then proclaiming they are decent. Quite ironic, isn’t it? His kind of style cannot persuade a truth seeker.

    Also, nowhere in the scripture we can prove that the Catholic Church was founded by Jesus Christ. It is just an atrocious claim. Athan cannot read even a single verse to prove his belief.

  16. Eh lalo namang yang imbentong kultong ADD. Wala yan sa bibliya. Kahit sa gilid-gilid wala. Pabago-bago nga ang pangalan ng grupo nyo eh. Saan mababasa sa bibliya na korte sekular ang magde-desisyon ng pangalan ng simbahan? Saan?

    Tsaka bago nyo hamunin yung pari, pabalikin nyo muna amo nyo dito sa Pilipinas. Eyeball to eyeball na debate. Hindi yung nagtatago amo nyo sa ibang bansa. Halatang guilty sa mga kaso nya eh.

    Pr 28:1 (Ang Biblia)

    Ang masama ay tumatakas ng walang taong humahabol: nguni’t ang matuwid ay matapang na parang leon.

    Ilitaw nyo amo nyo.

    • The only church mentioned in the bible is THE CHURCH OF GOD.

      There is no mention about the Roman Catholic Church -not even as a footnote.

      Oh, well, how can you tell? You are not bible readers even in the RC. Your priests merely tell stories while our church leaders tackle biblical verses and expound on mysteries.

      Whatever he does outside the country is none of your business. Bro. Soriano is an international evangelist – not a local one.

      And while you attack him, his preaching is fast absorbing those among you who are enlightened. If you are not, it is because you prefer to have a darkened mind. In the end, you will reap what you sow.

      So, for now, enjoy your wickedness while you can.

      • REBUTTAL ON KOTAWINTER’S IGNORANCE:

        “The only church mentioned in the bible is THE CHURCH OF GOD.”

        hahaha .. THE BIBLE simply mention of the Church of God in order to imply that it is HIS CHURCH. it connotes “GOD’S OWNERSHIP” from a very simple LOGIC. in the OLD TESTAMENT. Israel is called “PEOPLE OF GOD” but their OFFICIAL NAME IS NOT “PEOPLE OF GOD” but rather, “ISRAEL”. in the sameway as in the New TEstament, it is the CHURCH OF GOD. but the official name is CATHOLIC CHURCH .. haha

        [There is no mention about the Roman Catholic Church -not even as a footnote]

        YOURE SO IGNORANT KOTAWINTERS. PROVE ME FROM THE BIBLE THAT THERE WERE NO “ROMAN Church” existed. hehehe .. IM JUST WONDERING , how come your GRAND PAPA Eli chose the name Members, Church of God INTERNATIONAL. hahahaha

        VERY FUNNY.. KNOW WHY? WHO ARE YOU TO ACCUSE US FOR USING THE TERM “CATHOLIC” on our Church’ Name? where in fact. CATHOLIC MEANS UNIVERSAL ( FOR ALL THE NATIONS) in short. Catholic ALSO MEANS ‘INTERNATIONAL’ ?? hahaha.. read your dictionary .. hahaha

        DROP the term INTERNATIONAL ON YOUR OFFICIAL NAME. before you accuse us for using the term “Catholic” .. haha..

        [ Oh, well, how can you tell? You are not bible readers even in the RC. Your priests merely tell stories while our church leaders tackle biblical verses and expound on mysteries.]

        HAHAHA .. AGAIN?? hahaha so ignorant. we in the Catholic Church. were required to read the Holy Bible at least 15 minutes a day. it just happend that here in the Philippines. many catholics are IGNORANT of the RULES SET BY OUR CHURCH. as a matter of fact. WE HAVE WHAT WE CALL “DAILY MISSAL” that is an EVERYDAY BIBLICAL PASSAGE TO BE READ BY ALL CATHOLICS.. hahaha so ignorant.

    • Parabanog,

      Magkatorog ka na sana noy kaysa magparataram ka ke kabuahan, ipasopog mo ang lahing kabikulan. (Its better for you to just take asleep than speaking in nonesense. You’re making bikolandia shameful)..

      Iyo noy! makasopogon Ka!

      Go Bro Eli!! The most sensible preacher in our time.

  17. There could be a million miles of write ups about how true the Catholic Church is, this I can say:

    For about forty five years as a catholic, I have been blind and was not able to see wisdom.

    As a Member of the Church of God International, suddenly my eyes were open to the beauty of being the follower of Christ. To be the least of all is the most rewarding of all. To have nothing, yet the feeling of completeness and fulfillment is very much at hand. That the essential things in life are those that which you cannot see yet you can feel it, none physical yet you can touch it, it has no perfume yet you can smell the fragrance around.
    The simple woman that I am, can become poetic all of a sudden, because my eyes were opened to the wonders of salvation.

    For Brother Eliseo Soriano – this is what he is to me since then:

    John 9:25 (King James Version)
    25He answered and said, Whether he be a sinner or no, I know not: one thing I know, that, whereas I was blind, now I see.

  18. SABI NG DESPERADONG SI PARABANOG,

    “Eh lalo namang yang imbentong kultong ADD. WALA YAN SA BIBLIA.”

    EH KUNG MABASA KO BA SA BIBLIA NA MAYROON TALAGANG ANG DATING DAAN AAMININ MO IGNORANTE KA TALAGA SA BIBLIA RESULTA NG PAMBOBOBO SA INYO NG PARI NINYONG WALANG ALAM KUNDI MAGPABAYAD NG BINYAG, KUMPIL, KASAL PATI PATAY KAILANGANG MAGBAYAD PARA MAALIS DAW SA PURGATORYONG IMBENTO LANG NG IPINAGMAMALAKI MONG PARI MO DAHIL WALA NON SA BIBLIA. AAMININ MO BA LAHAT YON PAG NABASA KO?

  19. Athan wrote: “For the sake of truth: if you challenge me on an ON-LINE DEBATE. yes!! i ACCEPT YOUR CHALLENGE. and tell me whats the TOPIC you wish to prove.”

    This will only prove that he cannot present his priest on an online debate that’s why he is presenting himself.

    But if this will be possible, it could be exciting! It reminds me of the online debates we experienced.

    • hahahaha .. HEAVEN’S KNIGHT. cant you see the CHALLENGE up there?? hahaha.. YOUR “BROTHER” CHALLENGED ME. and so I DID ACCEPT.. and then you will further claims i cannot let our priest appear? hahaha// go and bring back your PAPA ELI in the country. hahaha

      • Athan can’t even convince his priest to debate on National Television. Tell Abraham Arganiosa that Bro. Eli Soriano does not debate in secret. His debates are broadcast on National TV.

      • Right! How shameful Mr. Abe is for he has a cohort braver than him? Parabanog cannot present his priest on a debate using the internet or other means of technology and his priest preferred the more primitive way. How poor he is?

  20. If we will observe, at first, just to evade the challenge, Mr. Abe used diversionary tactics where he pinpoints other challenger instead of him when he was being called for a fight. That must not be a stand from a genuinely brave man. Unfortunately, Mr. Abe is not expected to be one.

    Second, he used delaying tactics for he had asked conditions before starting a debate. He said that he will only debate Bro. Eli if he will come back here in the Philippines. What a false display of confidence? If we will not digest what he said, it seems that he is willing to face Bro. Eli. But if we will get the implication of his response, it only means that he will not debate Bro. Eli if he will not return here. Or should we say he will not debate Bro. Eli abroad. In spite of the knowledge that it’s possible to set a debate between persons coming from distant places, Mr. Abe still chose to hide his tail between his legs.

    Mr. Abe is asking condition that will only cause delay. Internet is faster than feet; debate is possible between night and day of the world. Also, our leader will not catch an obvious bait.

  21. @ CHRISTIANDEFENDERS:

    which one is true? INTERNATIONAL or UNIVERSAL? oh common.. please DO NOT SHOW HOW SHALLOW UR MIND IS. i tell you,. UNIVERSAL is one of a synonym of INTERNATIONAL. UNIVERSAL also CONNOTES keeping with the WHOLE. (does it mean SINGLE nation only?) now. PROVE ME THAT THE TERM “UNIVERSAL” means FOR SINGLE NATION ONLY.. prove me..

    • I don’t have a claim that Universal means for single Nation Only. If you are doing a cross-examination to me, you should ask questions base on the things that I have said and not on the things that you are trying to make me say. Do not put words into my mouth.

      Granting without accepting, that they are synonyms if that is your reasoning, can you show us a verse wherein the Church is
      called a “Universal Church” as its name?

  22. @ Christiandefender:

    good thing you know that CATHOLIC CHURCH is not registered in the Philippines. Definitely, our Church was founded in JERUSALEM 2000 years ago. AND NO PROFESSIONAL HISTORIAN WOULD EVER DENY that. another thing is that we are not of this WORLD:

    “They are not of the WORLD even as i am not of the world” (John 17:16)

    Well probably you have just changed your registration. hehehe.. but we have a a copy of the registration of IGLESIA NG DIOS KAY KRISTO HESUS AHLIGI AT SALIGAN NG KATOTOHANAN SA BANSANG PILIPINAS INCORPORATED. hahaha..

    you are the one who challenge us. why dont you show up your face.?? and just wondering , why did your Papa Eli have’nt accepted the Challenge of Bro.Ben Douglass?? where in fact you YOURSELF ADMITS a debate could be done in a close door area??

    another thing. if you are indeed the TRUE CHURCH founded by Christ in Jerusalem around 2000 AD.. why is it you are registered in the Philippines? SECURITIES AND EXCHANGE COMMISSION? where in fact NO SEC yet during the time of Jesus? hahaha.. do you mean. THERE HAVE BEEN NO TRUE MEMBERS OF THE TRUE CHURCH EXISTING ON EARTH FROM 2ND CENTURY UP TO 19TH CENTURY? oh common!!

    • I doubt that you are the same church established by Christ 2000 years ago. Your teachings prove otherwise because it contradicts the teachings of Christ itself. However, your claim that you have been existing 2000 years ago will make it easier for me to prove that you belong to the group of the Antichrist because not less than the Apostles have said that the Antichrist has existed since the time they were physically preaching.

      Douay-Rheims Bible
      (1 John 4:3)
      “And every spirit that dissolveth Jesus, is not of God: and this is Antichrist, of whom you have heard that he cometh, and he is now already in the world.”

      The teachings of the Catholic Church clearly contradicts the teachings of Christ and they themselves claim that they existed at the same time when the Apostles preached. They are clearly the Antichrist.

      Now, you’ve name dropped Ben Douglas. It was Ben Douglas who pussyfoots from the debate just like your Catholic Priest does. Our telephone lines are always available on a live television broadcast during the time that the debate should be negotiated but he did not even bother to call us. He resort to write articles on a tabloid wherein not everyone can read.

      • Oww really Mr. Christianaccuser.. ??

        hahaha.. ok ok .. you rely ONLY upon your single minded Eli Soriano.. then

        1) PROVE ME AND RENDER ME AUTHENTIC , NON-BIASED HISTORY BOOK or ENCYCLOPEDIA / ALMANAC or even a PROFESSIONAL HISTORIAN that says, the CATHOLIC CHURCH is not the Church which origins from the 1st Century.. hahaha.. tell me..

        2) i will only show you the verse of which UNIVERSAL CHURCH could be read if you, on your part would tell me HISTORICALLY, ARCHEOLOGICALLY, AND BIBLICALLY that the Catholic Church is not the Religion founded by Christ with UNBROKEN LINE OF SUCCESSIONS FROM THE OFFICE OF THE APOSTLES. prove me then..😛 i want three. HISTORY, ARCHEOLOGY AND BIBLE. not merely the Bible. otherwise, you only conceal the Truth. since Christ himself said, the Holy Spirit

        “will guide you into ALL THE TRUTH” (john 16:13)

        and that

        “a THREE fold cord cannot be easily broken” (Ecclesiastes 4:12)

        so you must produce THOSE THREE DEMANDS😛 dont worry if you prove it , i’ll do your wish. to let you read there is UNIVERSAL CHURCH in the Bible. or if you want i’ll give you a bonus. i’ll let you read etymologically the word CATHOLIC in the Bible..😛 just give me my demands

        • What verse will tell you that there is a Universal Church?

          • HOW sTUPID.. ChristianACCUSER.

            1) is There a Chrisitan who prayed facing the EAST?

            2) How can Christian pray to Mary during 1st Century when she is still on earth?? hahahaha.. so stupid!

          • Answers:

            1.) is There a Chrisitan who prayed facing the EAST?

            Catholics also pray facing the EAST specially if the altar is located in the direction of the EAST. If facing the East makes a person unchristian then you are also telling me that those Catholics who faces the EAST are unchristian.

            2.) How can Christian pray to Mary during 1st Century when she is still on earth?? hahahaha.. so stupid!

            Christian never prayed to any man; Not even to the dead.

          • @ CHRISTIAN ACCUSER:

            OH PLEASE!!! DO NOT TURN THE STORY UPSIDE DOWN.. ang Baho ng Style mo. hanggang dito amoy na amoy.. sawa na kami jan..

            YOU ASKED ME,

            “IS THERE A CHRISTIAN WHO PRAYED TO MARY IN THE BIBLE?”

            THEN I ASKED YOU IN TURN:

            “IS THERE A CHRISTIAN WHO PRAYED FACING THE EAST”?

            WHAY I MEANT HERE IS IF THERE WAS A CHRISTIAN IN THE BIBLE FACING THE EAST?? and then you told me

            “CATHOLICS ALSO PRAY TO THE EAST”

            HAHAHA.. YOUR NOT JUST AN ACCUSER, BUT A TWISTER!! BOOM!! hahaha.. dont twist us up. YOU CANNOT FOOL US.. NOT ALL CATHOLICS ARE AS FOOL AS YOU are.

            AND THANKS FOR ADMISSION: I ASKED HIM,

            IS THERE A CHRISTIAN WHO PRAYED FACING THE EAST?

            HE SAID, “CATHOLICS ALSO PRAY TO THE EAST”

            SO DO YOU ADMIT THAT CATHOLICS ARE CHRISTIANS THEN? HAHAHA.. look up!! i’ll told your MINISTER about this!! hahaha..

          • Your first paragraph is an “Appeal to Mockery” which is a fallacy in argument. The rest is “Strawman Argument.” There is no declaration in my comment wherein I agree that Catholics are Christians. I definitely use the word “Catholics” in my statement and use the essence of your question against you. Catholics also face the East specially if the altar where they pray is on the East. Now, here comes another Catholic who questions the direction where Christians are suppose to face whenever they are praying. Is there such prohibition from the Vatican Council to face the East whenever a Catholic is praying? Is a Catholic unchristian whenever he faces the East when praying? That is not an objection coming from a Catholic but is simply borrowed from a person who was given to the hands of Satan, namely Wilfredo Santiago. Go ahead and tell my minister what you want to tell. Do you want me to give you the schedule of our Bible Exposition near Las Piñas so you can go ahead and ask?

        • Just go to this link and find out.

          http://esoriano.wordpress.com/2007/07/17/the-roman-catholic-church-is-not-the-true-church-of-god/

    • Beltran O.P. has not yet shown the verse that he promised.

  23. Mister Abe clearly knows who brother Eli Soriano is. It is not true that we are only brave because he doesn’t know our identity. The truth of the matter is, the priest pussyfoots on his stand. He is afraid to engage on a debate with brother Eli Soriano on a televised debate. He knows that a debate is possible even if two people are not on the same place because of modern technology. However, he choose to make excuses and resort to give improbable conditions.

  24. @ PARABANOG:

    i dont know how STUPID HEAVENS KNIGHT IS upon using the term “HOW POOR HE IS?” against Fr. Abe. where in fact, his GRAND PAPA ELI even apply the term “POOR wise man” upon himself? hehehe. well he just proved that it was not PAPA ELI who could fit the description of “POOR wise man”

    • @ Beltran, O.P.

      You better take the phrase “poor wise man” in it’s proper context. It was translated in Filipino as “dukhang pantas na lalake” whereas the phrase “poor man” which was used by Heavens Knight is translated as “kawawang tao”. The term “stupidity” better applies to you.

  25. So, you are trying to use the style of brother Eli?

    Okay. If you can show me a verse that there is something that is called the “Universal Church” which is a NOUN and not an ADJECTIVE, I’ll accept that I am dumb.

    If you can’t show me anything, it means that the word “dumb” applies to you.

    May I remind you that we are looking for the name “Universal Church”.

    Shoot!

  26. What you did on the first line of your statement is a fallacy in argument which we call “appeal to mockery”. It just mocks the person to whom you are debating with but has nothing to do with a sound argument. That is a fallacy in argument on your part.

    Now, please show us a verse wherein you can read the Name or Noun “Universal Church”.

    If you can’t show us this verse, the word “stupid” applies to you.

  27. This Catholic Hypocrisy is better discussed by a former nun.

    http://stewardsecretsofgod.wordpress.com/2009/12/07/he-was-under-heavy-attack-by-the-iglesia-ni-cristo-and-i-wanted-to-side-with-the-good-man/#comment-150

    “Our name was ‘Missionary of Faith’ but we did not observe our roles as a religious. Meanwhile, our Italian superiors lived like ordinary persons. They fell in love with each other but their mother general did not give them sanctions. I just thanked GOD that they regarded us as inferior beings because they didn’t have interest in us. They just regarded us as servants and laborers to serve them.”

    Where is the compassion even to your own members?

  28. The style of Parabanog in writing is similar to the Catholic Priest. Abraham, is that you?

  29. He is the son of God, hence he is god just like anyone of us who are faithful to the Father in heaven.

  30. @ Christiandefenders:

    hahaha.. stop making laugh. i only let you feel how to be “boiled on your own oil” hahahaha… it really made us laugh when you use “Logical Fallacies” wherein fact, a well-trained ‘Formal Debater’ is far different from your PAPA Eli. because, PAPA Eli is indeed a person who debate with NUMEROUS FALLACIES since then.. “PAg nabasa ko talo ka na?” .. “ang luhod sa Dios lang” etc. hahaha.. few out of MILLIONS of fallacies of Eli Soriano.. hahaha

    1) whether a NOUN, Adjective or verb whatever. i could LET YOU READ “UNIVERSAL CHURCH” .hahaha

    2) SACRAMENT OF CONFIRMATION?? JUST MAN MADE? ARE YOU SURE?? HAHAHAHAHA… BEFORE i answer you that, let me ask you Christianaccuser este christian defender😛 , WHAT DO YOU REALLY UNDERSTAND BY CONFIRMATION?

    • There is no such thing as sacrament of confirmation in the Christian Teaching. It is just a man-made doctrine.

      So far, no Catholic Defender or Priest were successful to prove that Bro. Eli Soriano has fallacies. It is just a mere claim with no proofs at all. In fact, they have been put to shame in a debate numerous times already.

      • @ CHRISTIANDEFENDER:

        hahaha.. who told you that NO ONE HAS EVER PROVED THAT PAPA ELI HAS FALLACIES? are you blind? to give you some. CFD’s already proved it.. hahaha.. and it is numerous.. cant count em. hahaha

        GIVE ME FIRST MY THREE DEMANDS CHRISTIAN DEFENDER!! and why is it YOU HAVE DELETED BRO. PARABANOG’S ARGUMENTS HERE?

        1st Demand: CITE from any NON-BIASED HISTORICAL RECORDS which shows THE CATHOLIC CHURCH as not founded by Christ

        2nd Demand: Cite from ARCHELOGY that the CAtholic Church did not existed 2000 years

        3rd: prove me NO CATHOLIC CHURCH in the Bible.

        I WANT THREE!! HAHAHA.. GO!!! im already posting my comments oN THIS BLOG

        • Those questions were answered by Bro. Eli himself on his blog.

          http://esoriano.wordpress.com/2007/07/17/the-roman-catholic-church-is-not-the-true-church-of-god/

          As for Parabanog’s so-called “arguments”; Please remember that this is an English blog and yet he prefers to write in the vernacular. Also, most of his statements are nonsense and does not even relate to the article where he post his comment. Ultimately, as an administrator, I have the authority to choose which comment to retain and which comment to erase. You can complain all you want but that’s the way it is.

          • [As for Parabanog’s so-called “arguments”; Please remember that this is an English blog and yet he prefers to write in the vernacular.]

            Oh really? Then why is it that during the initial part of our exchanges, you are arguing with me in tagalog? Then when you got cornered with your deceitful interpretation of Job 42:7, you immediately removed all the text of our exchanges? Is it because you want to save face and hide your embarassment?

            [Also, most of his statements are nonsense and does not even relate to the article where he post his comment. Ultimately, as an administrator, I have the authority to choose which comment to retain and which comment to erase. You can complain all you want but that’s the way it is.]

            If my arguments are nonsense, then why instead of refuting it piece by piece, you resorted to INC’s patented “cho-chop” tactic? Why did you evade my questions? The answer is pretty obvious: you can’t refute them. That’s why you deleted it.

          • You got your own freedom to think delusional things. If you really think that your arguments cannot be refuted, then you now have your advantage. Debate with Bro. Eli Soriano on National Television and prove it.

          • Parabanog has already proven that ANG DATING DAAN AY NILAKARAN NG MGA MASAMANG TAO. You resorted to deceitful interpretation of Job 42:7 but when you got exposed and ultimately can’t refute the arguments presented, you deleted our exchanges to save face. Unfortunately for you, I saved a copy so it is now posted in the good priest’s blog where you and your kind have no control whatsoever. ha ha ha

            Kung sa isang ordinaryong laiko lang eh timbuwang ka na, hwag mo nang ambisyunin yung pari. Nagde-delusyon ka na eh.

          • @ Parabanog

            Deleting your posts does not mean that I was not able to refute your erroneous accusation. It was successfully refuted but I deem to erase it including my response because it was written n Filipino.

        • Your requests are completely answered on one of Bro. Eli Soriano’s article.

          http://esoriano.wordpress.com/2007/07/17/the-roman-catholic-church-is-not-the-true-church-of-god/

  31. Hahaha .. oo nga Bro. Parabanog. paano maghahamon yang si ChristianACCUSER sa Pari na siyang “SUGO” ng Diyos (Malakias 7:11) kung sa mga laiko pa lang taob na.. hahaha ..

    CHRISTIANACCUSER!! SAGUTIN MO SI BRO. PARABANOG

    • Claiming is one thing but proving is another thing. Please remember that I am not presenting myself to debate with the Catholic Priest on Live Television. The debate is between him and Bro. Eli Soriano. I also don’t believe that the Catholic Priest is a messenger of God. If so, please convince him to agree to debate with Bro. Eli on National Television. If the Priest wins, I will join you.

      • But you brazenly invited the priest to engage in your trashy blog when in fact, you are dishonest because you have the tendency to remove posts of your opponents that you can’t refute in order to hide your embarrassment. That’s the point. How can the priest trust you? This is aside from the fact that you are trying to arrange a debate without showing your true identity. That’s plain cowardice to me.

        Serious talk on debate will start once you introduce your true identity and convinced your fugitive preacher to return here in the Philippines.

        • For us, serious talk starts when you start showing sense to your arguments and stop using improbable conditions. Bro. Eli is ready to face you in a debate even if he is in another country through modern technology which you try to evade because of your fear to suffer the same consequence like your compatriots did before.

  32. Here.. MAY I ASK ChristianACCUSER this very simple and elementary question:

    Do we have to LOVE Mary? the MOTHER of Jesus??

    sagot🙂 im waiting for yah….

    • We have to love all people according to the bible. However, there is no account in the bible wherein Christians ever prayed to Mary or become a devotee to her because that is idolatry.

  33. _Bakit di sinagot ng mga ADD member dito yong tanong ni Beltran OP na :
    1.)PROVE ME AND RENDER ME AUTHENTIC , NON-BIASED HISTORY BOOK or ENCYCLOPEDIA / ALMANAC or even a PROFESSIONAL HISTORIAN that says, the CATHOLIC CHURCH is not the Church which origins from the 1st Century & founded by Jesus Christ?
    _ Dahil siguro walang kakampi sa kanila na mga standard references, kaya nga pala dumami yong membro nila dahil di marunong magbasa o magbusisi sa mga history. . .
    _ Sa Wisdom 8:8, It says that we must know the past.
    So mga membro, punta na kayo sa mga library, mag internet at mag research sa history ng Catholic Church & you’ll find out the real church founded by Jesus on the 1st century based on history & standard references. . . God bless

    • http://esoriano.wordpress.com/2007/07/17/the-roman-catholic-church-is-not-the-true-church-of-god/

      Let me quote a comment from Bro. Eli Soriano’s blog:

      “I was once a catholic, actually, for more than 39 years of my life was with the catholic. I was once a “sakristan” in our church, a helper in a convent of a “eligious order of mary”
      Friend, let us clear some point in history. where was this RCC (roman catholic church) came from? Perhaps i should agree with you when you said “KILLING THEM” the heretics, because of following your leader, the founder of the RCC, is that right.
      Now, i said I agree because from ROME you went to JERUSALEM in the middle east and KILLING those founders and followers of CHRISTIANITY, crucifying the leader of the Church, killing and persecuting the remaining leaders, the members was burned alive some were thrown to the lions. and should i guess, on whose order, its your LEADER from Rome.
      YOU WERE NOT different from them, your leader of the past “Trying to Keep something they do not OWN”. LET US STAND TOGETHER, AGAINST THEM.-THEY ARE HERE AGAIN, AND THEY WILL NOT STOP TO GET THEIR OWN “PROPERTY”, THAT WE STOLE FROM THEM.
      Again, please think of this, RCC from ROME ITALY, CHRISTIANITY from Jerusalem in the Middle East. Who should keep the Bible, the believers or the follower of the founder of Christianity or THE ROMANS that KILLS, persecute and distroying the contents of the Bible by not following the commandments written in it.
      NOw to sum it up, your LEADERS are from ROME (Killers) ours from HEAVEN (was killed) born in flesh at Jersusalem. Its a big big difference.”

  34. [For us, serious talk starts when you start showing sense to your arguments and stop using improbable conditions.]

    As far as I know, you are the one acting as Soriano’s feeler. Asking you to have the decency to first introduce yourself to the priest and bring your fugitive preacher here in the Philippines are not conditions bordering on the improbable. The request is actually within reason because it is anchored in basic common sense. Don’t deal with strangers.

    [Bro. Eli is ready to face you in a debate even if he is in another country through modern technology which you try to evade because of your fear to suffer the same consequence like your compatriots did before.]

    Our priests have already answered your challenge. It is high time that you manned up and show your true identity and convince your fugitive preacher to return here in the Philippines so that the debate can be arranged. Your claim that our priest is afraid to your kind is a pathetic plea for sympathy. Everybody knows the good priest’s identity. He is not making any effort to hide his. Why is it that you are hiding yours? I smell fear here. And it emanates from you.

  35. I pity this priest and his followers for he will only lead them to hell. He is using arguments without any sense.

    This priest cannot prove we worship the sun for we don’t kneel towards the west when it sets or when it is evening. Then after that, he then accused us of worshiping the darkness, just to escape the shamefulness he reaped. Did you notice his style? He made a ghost so that he has something to bash.

    This priest can’t even prove we worship the darkness or the sun. He is just inventing belief so that he has something to refute. In reality, they are the one facing the darkness. Just observe, why do they light candles inside their cathedral even in noontime? Aren’t they aware that it is still bright? Or do they only show that even in the middle of the day, they believe that it is still dark? Quite illogical, isn’t it?

    The more this priest defends his position, the more he manifests his ignorance. He is sinking in the mud. Let us help him out of it.

    Another thing, Bro. Eli Soriano is not hiding. If this priest has the guts to defend his belief, he can have Bro. Eli exposed in a debate as what he has always been doing. But if this priest is just one of the cowards veiling beneath pretentions, then who really is the one hiding?

    Show your courage and face Bro. Eli; unless, you’re a scared hog.

  36. Fr. Abe can debate with Daniel Razon. why dont he try that man? if he wont agree to debate with Bro. Eli’s nephew. he is really a coward and only knows trashtalking.

    The debate should be done on TV for the whole Philippines to see.

    but I doubt that the priest will agree to debate even to Bro. Eli’s nephew.

    I think even a well known INC minister from Ang Tamang Daan will challenge Fr. Abe to a debate, the priest will elude it.

    no wonder Fr. Abe wont debate with Bro. Eli because he knows that INC ministers fear Bro. Eli. he knows that Catholic Faith Defenders can also be defeated by INC ministers.

    that is why Catholic Faith Defenders never show a youtube video showing one of CFDs beat an INC minister.

    what’s more to Bro. Eli who is the nightmare of INC ministers? the priest wont ever have guts and enough courage to debate with him sincerely.

  37. Fr. Abe is really a coward. if really he is that courageous, he should try to make a blog against INC teachings and some INC ministers of Ang Tamang Daan.

    but he wont do that, he knows how violent the INC religion is to its enemies.

    Fr. Abe can attack to a group of people where he is expected that he wont be retaliated.

    to Fr. Abe’s supporters, if really you are all brave. try to attack on blogs the INC teachings and INC ministers of Ang Tamang Daan.

    you bullshit some of Abe’s supporters who are rude to ADD people, you can only persecute the meek. why dont you try to attack on the net the INC people if really some of them are brave.

    What if ADD members soon will be like an INC, they will retaliate? I think those Abe’s supporters who some of them will stop to persecute ADD people on the net even on personal.

    If Catholics during the early stages of INC persecuted INC people a lot and today they wont do it, it is because they know that they will be retaliated if they will do that.

    I hope ADD people will do that to some Catholics who use rude words like Abe against ADD people.

    they should be sometimes be killed or mauled a lot to the point that some of their bones shall be broken.

    I feel pity for my ADD friends who are persecuted because their persecutors dont fear any retaliation from them. if my friends know the word vengeance, ADD religion will gain little respect like INC religion

  38. Catholic men. you cant win against ADD people on religious discussions.

    because they are better than the INC people who are also better than the Catholics in Bible knowledge.

    you are mostly expert in trashtalking because you cant win in a religious discussions w/ courtesy.

    besides, even to an INC minister, a Catholic defender wont win against the minister so no youtube videos can be listed as one of the pieces of evidence that CFDs won over some INC ministers.

    if that is true, a lot of INC members will go to Catholic Church than to ADD religion.

  39. To ADD members can you give us some informations wherein the 1st century christians (after the apostles died) used Church of God as the name of the church founded by Christ?

  40. Fr. Abe is amenable. Bro. Eli, however, is not. After all, he doesn’t have the balls to face his accusers, how much more an intellectual Catholic like Fr. Abe?

    • Do you really see his trash talk as intellectual? I doubt it very much.

    • Bro. Eli has long been debating other preachers and has long been facing his accusers which can be seen on youtube.com. However, can you show me an instance when Abe Arganiosa ever face a preacher or pastor in a debate? Can you show us a video?

  41. Just because it it not explicitly mentioned in the Holy Scriptures does not mean it is not IMPLICITLY mentioned. Besides, the Holy Church was built on the Rock that is St. Peter, the first Pope. St. Paul also sent one of his epistles to ROME. If you are saying that the Holy Mother Church is the Great Satan, then St. Paul sent an letter to the Great Satan, and the Antichrist’s name would be in two letters: the two letters of St. Peter.

    • Bro. Eli says:

      The claim that Peter was the first pope and the rock whereupon the church was built is erroneous and cannot be substantiated, either in history or in the Bible. The word pope was first used by an alleged saint, Saint Ennodius, in the year 521, according to the Catholic Encyclopedia.

      “POPE, THE

      The popular title of the bishop of Rome, successor of St. Peter and visible head of the Catholic Church, is “Pope.” Derived from the Gree pappas (“father”), the title was first mentioned by St. Ennodius (d.521) and has been in general use in the Western Church since the eleventh century.”

      How can Peter be a pope when such a title was first used 400 years after the death of Peter?

      http://esoriano.wordpress.com/2007/07/18/was-peter-really-the-rock

  42. You Know Abe,the basic is,you have been challenged to a debate live on national TV in front of Bro Eli.Now,if you are a man enough take the challenge.Yes or No!

  43. @Parabanog,be the man!face Bro Eli line on TV on our Bible expo.Duwag!

  44. Everyone knows the Brother Eli Soriano’s quality. Cathilic priests have been Brother Eli’s complainant about the teachings he teaches that make great numbers of Catholic believers leave their faith. No doubt that the Catholic priests can do anything to malign Brother Eli. They tend to make allegations which cannot be proven true.

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